Sonoma State University – Lead Awareness Training – August 5, 2014

okay so I’m gonna I’m gonna get going thank you everybody for coming the signing that you did sign went around is not only science so we don’t bouquet but also we release because our wonderful stephanie is reporting it and then we’ll put it through their youtube stuff will link it to our website so that people can view it in future and that type of thing is it’s good information for everybody so i will go ahead and jump into it we have a nice sized fruit today and so as we go through it you can ask questions i don’t mind getting interrupted as we’re going along but then there will definitely be time at the end of it for any questions and that that you have so yeah go ahead it’s pretty much the introduction i think most of you know me but I’m Frank Dawson I’m director of energy and environmental health and safety here on campus I’ve been here for I don’t know over 16 years for quite a while actually so we’re talking about leg today and what is lead many people have have played with it and use it Steve just as other you are steve has spent a lot of time with what this looks like to me which it almost looks like a lead pig we use lend a lot of different places on campus not only in our operations as part of equipment and other things which is why we’re always so big on recycling electronics and making sure that we get those back so they don’t go into the landfill but it’s also used in a lot of our coatings and I’ll get into that more as I go through the discussion but as far as what it is it’s got a low melting point it’s actually got a pretty low vaporizing point it vaporizes at about a thousand degrees and so for a metal that’s pretty low and then it’s got these qualities as far as an ability it works very well for containing certain types of alpha and radioactive waves and things like that so it’s got a lot of uses so where it’s been commonly used in the past and and any of us that are a little bit older now which I always have to myself the category of but is I certainly remember when it was used in gasoline and that was one of the biggest fuses I was actually a mechanic in those days and it was a big concern of how we’re going to possibly live without it because it worked as a lubricant the engine and so they had do different things to be able to face that out of the gasoline but that was over time one of our biggest sources you could think about along highways and huge interchanges and stuff especially in some of the inner cities and that how much of that exhaust can build up over time on the soil smelting the biggest use now of land in the country and really in the world is lead acid batteries we use a huge amount here for our IT folks for the UPC backup jacked up batteries and car batteries and all sorts of things like that there’s a lot of new technologies coming out in that that we won’t get into a lot of them are even way more hazardous but that’s one of their primary uses and then paint coating sauders and all of those types of things as well so in the late 50s they started phasing them out of residential use by 78 the Consumer Product Safety Commission had really pushed for in residential that they get below 600 parts per million for the paint that was used in the houses because again that’s for so much of the exposure has come from over time but something that’s important that everybody doesn’t have an awareness of keep in mind is that lead paint is still being used today in shipping industries on a lot of steel that’s manufactured products and pieces that we still buy today and things that go into especially buildings like the student center and that normally things that you can’t get to in contact but structural components and that still still use that as an industrial coating okay so as we moved along in the 50s you can pretty much oh yeah Pat it could be anything they can go well into the thousands tens of thousands parts per million they really quickly get up into percentages as opposed to parts per million no it was across the board based on the application and some of the things that you would think would be the most benign like white paint clear varnishes on wood floors were often times some of the highest numbers that were well up into the tens of thousands so in the 50s you pretty much can be assured that you’re going to have lead paint inside and outside on painted services 50s and 60s it starts to narrow down a little there’s still a lot on the inside as far as trims and doors and things like that and then when you get up to 78 is where you really start seeing the cut off and that’s where we kind of use is our basic cut off although we still do some testing on newer buildings than that if we’re going to do renovations and that type of thing when you finally get to a point where it’s less likely that you’re going to run into the lead as far as what in this kind of little goes a little bit back to what you’re asking about Pat there’s a lot of different definitions of what is lead containing paint what is a hazardous waste that has led in it and all of these different ways of viewing it what’s the concentration it’s okay in the air and all of these types of things and so just kind of focusing on the paint because for our general folks that work on campus here and that don’t work with the lead paint material or don’t have a specific applications and their work areas these are the ones that that most closely associate what you’re doing so EPA has the five thousand parts per million or the half a percent as far as the concentration in the paint that we start to become more regulated but then there’s always the sides from OSHA which is OSHA is concerned about protecting the worker the people that are actually dealing with the material there’s no limit as far as how how low it goes and there’s some very interesting interpretations on both that and asbestos that are somewhat challenging some times in the industrial hygiene world to do the amount of sampling and that that’s necessary to make sure that you’re safe guarding people especially when you’re talking about very new buildings that that everybody knows don’t contain it but there still are some requirements for doing verifications so it’s it’s somewhat interesting there so where can it be on campus on the left here is is one of our lovely little pumps it’s still in in action today that runs the hot water through the campus from our central plant and heats buildings for us the the coatings and paints in those types of areas are almost guaranteed to contain lead and even on newer equipment is is almost assured to have some levels of lead on it on the right is a very typical just a white wall the colors not critical whether it’s going to contain lead or not but more often than not the darker the color is especially the greens and blues the more likely on the older locations that they will contain lead and so again that 78-year kind of becomes important and anything newer that that we buy especially from from our local vendor and that our book supply has you know since close to the 78 time frame has not been let we use regular correct yes the outside pay the only place that we have issue with with lead and we do we were distributor it’s it’s kind of a good point or a time for a sidebar for that we’re producer and distributor of our own water on campus and so we pump it out of the ground we disinfect it and we distribute it to campus and so as part of that process we do very extensive monitoring and sampling of the water throughout campus to make sure that it meets all the standards and we have consumer confidence report that is posted online each year and that in the cabernet complex which is one of our older complexes and of course it’s always you know all of you are familiar with the state process and the low bidder challenges and everything that that complex that village was built just before you weren’t allowed to use lead solder anymore and so it was being phased out at that time and so it was probably a nice deal for whoever the low bid contractor was that built that building but it’s been this long and we’re just starting to see one or two spot areas where we have had a detection of lead in the drinking water there so things are posted out there there’s specific protocols where people run their water for a certain amount of time we’ve gone an extra step or i should say housing has gone an extra step and put brita filters on all of the kitchen sinks so that there’s an additional option there and we’re hoping by next year that that that village gets completely remodeled which will replace all of that piping but we do continuous monitoring for the types of things to ensure that that the water quality and that is is good so the buildings in the years on campus just to kind of associate to what can have and this pairs very very closely to asbestos as well and I didn’t want to cover asbestos because it would just make it too long of a of a workshop for today but I can always do another one if there’s interest for it but these are the dates that the buildings were originally built and then if there was a renovation it’s listed on the right side when we do renovations of buildings on campus we really renovate down to the structural members and Darwin is a good example Salazar is another good example they’re literally driving skid loaders and things like that through the buildings while they’re under renovation it’s just the structural pieces that maintain and so at those times we make every effort that we can to have all of the hazardous materials abated out of those buildings so it’s not a burden for us managing them and people working on them going forward and so you know we always come up to to the struggles of cost and benefit so there are a couple places in Darwin that we have identified that are behind sheetrock walls that are structural concrete pillars that still do have leg containing paint on them but it just it didn’t make any financial sense to go to the extent and the cost to remove to that level but we really go to a great lengths to remove as much as we can so again these will be posted online along with the whole presentation so if you’re ever curious about the age of the different buildings and facilities you’ll be able to see it on here so now we’re going to go into the health hazards of what the material can do and the threats of it so the two basic routes of exposure LED is inhalation and ingestion inhalation really comes from when it gets airborne and you breathe in recycled us and it gets taken up by your blood and ingestion is really from swallowing with with children the biggest thing over time has been the lead paint chips and that type of thing around their their homes and with workers it’s more often than not poor personal hygiene in other words they’re not washing their hands well after they’re doing activities that involve lead or they’re having sandwiches or I always pick on cigarette smokers they go out for a quick cigarette break without washing their hands when they’ve been doing tasks that have lead involved and so that’s some of the biggest ways that you get the exposures when I was chatting with Jennifer just before the class and she’s from from County Health and she brought some stuff that you’re welcome to look after especially if you’ve got kids and that type of thing on the childhood lead prevention because of course children are the most susceptible group for lead and they take it up into their bodies and during the developmental stages it has a far more profound and long-term impact and more easily impacted than that us as adults but there is information up there about it and so we were discussing you know even these days you know little giveaways in expensive toys you were mentioning I think a reebok give away from somebody you buy a shoe and you get this little bracelet thing on that the the levels of lead and a lot of those types of things are you know I’ve seen a lot of reports where they’re actually high enough to be considered a hazardous material they gave the shoes Sattler stomach at least chat LED and system child died several days later procedures so I mean there’s there’s a lot of safeguarding and we’re focusing on all of us has adult some people that work on this campus but I always try to bring you know that personal site in as well and one of the one of the biggest exposures I learned a couple years ago for children in our area for lead exposure is actually our keys and you know you have your little infant and oh yes just be quiet playing with this thing and that type of thing and they’ll suck on on the keys and there’s a lot of different especially with our fancy electronic cars and that there’s a lot of different types of metals including lead that can be on those keys so just kind of throw that out there in case you have kids to you know kind of get you thinking in that direction health effects lead again I mentioned this it gets into your blood stream if it’s eaten or inhaled spreads throughout your body it gets extreme adore or pass through your body to some extent but then to some extent it accumulates in your body and especially in certain types of organs and in your teeth and bones which especially for pregnant women or women that that may have worked in an industry soldering industry in that and then gone on to have children later when all of the hormonal changes and weight changes and everything happened with that it can often times cause a a release or glad of that material from a long time ago to get into your system and so that that can be a big concern and one of the biggest things with the second bullet here is is continued exposure is is the most detrimental most hazardous types of situations those keys they have toys that are saying you have a house that’s got paint that’s chipping on it I you know you you get a little dorky when you work in the environment i do and i just got back from a camping trip and I’ve got pictures i went to bode ghost town and I’ve got pictures of the the window putty that they used on all the windows that was all friable asbestos and the paint that there’s almost no paint left but I guarantee from that era was all paint so if we took samples of the ground I guarantee we could find percentages and and that type of thing it’s just you know it’s it’s really important to be cognizant of where it can come from so that you don’t find yourself in a situation with ongoing exposures you know I finally got enough money and i bought my Victorian house i’m going to spend the next 10 years remodeling it it’s a wonderful thing just make sure that you’re going through in a way that you keep yourself healthy so prolonged chronic exposures basically can affect most everything and as jennifer and mentioned with the children especially can definitely lead to death so can affect brain kidneys we hear a lot about especially in younger children I think that you normally focus on five or six to younger for IQ impacts you say round two they should have had two tested we see them all the way up you know what their situation demographics so you can see it’s it’s very impacting I mentioned a couple of these already with the reproductive systems and that so more chronic effects severe damage to the blood-forming nervous system urinary loss of appetite it goes through the whole cadre of things which in my industry you know not that media this is funny or laughable but it’s kind of the joke I’ve got half of those symptoms oh no you know type of thing but that’s one of the challenges with this and with a lot of actual diseases that are bacterial or viral based is they do present themselves so often initially as other types of things and and they often will get missed for those types of reasons and so again real important to know your your area and what you’ve got going on okay reproductive again both in men and women it’s not just something that affects women that can be affected and again these are normally occupational larger exposures okay hypertension blood levels of less and now we’re we start to get into a little bit of numbers and you’ll see a little bit more numbers especially depending on questions you might have but 20 micrograms per deciliter is is what what i would consider in this day and age a pretty pretty high level for our area it’s not something that you would would expect to see if you 6018 was the average wow I didn’t know that and I do recall from reading and preparing for this presentation that the average across at least across the u.s.The tire worldwide is 1.38 which etch which actually even requires some specialized blood sampling because the normal detection limit is two on on that so that’s a real plus for for us and another one of those fortunate things about the country we’re in okay so other chronic effects low moderate levels of lead exposure been associated adverse changes in kidney function and you know just goes on and on from there hypertension plays into diabetes and and all those types of things acute health exposure or acute health effects when you’re really getting high exposures and I’ve underlined the extremely high high amounts there is when you really get into you know these types of examples that are much more susceptible for children but certainly possible not impossible for adults to experience is you know clear up to see yours and that’s and that type of thing okay so enough of the doom and gloom portion of it and what do we have here and and what do you do or should you do as part of the campus community to help us manage it and make sure that that everybody stays safe with it identification is the most important part and Tom sergeant that wasn’t able to be here today is our specialist in the arena and and he’s obtained certifications in Inlet inspections and other areas and when you have any type of construction activity or modification to an area or you see damage in an area we have a whole range of a crew of maintenance folks that have been trained on what we call O&M or operations and maintenance so they can just come in and if it’s a small area they can assume that it’s either asbestos-containing your leg containing and do certain work procedures which are primarily keeping things wet and contained and that type of thing and do repairs to if we’re going to do bigger remodels or we’re going to hang big things on the wall that needs structural support and things like that then we’ll actually run tests and send those samples to the labs to definitively know whether there’s material there or not one of the big caveats that I want to put in here even then I know it’s a real important one for Thomas and we don’t want anyone to get confused about it is we are trying to put more and more information on our website so that that people can see and understand more more what we do have around and so we are now maintaining as fastest and led sample results that have been collected on campus over time on our website the very important thing to to know about that and trying to see if it was on this side or if it’s on another slide but the thing that’s very important is that it takes a skilled trained person to know and understand and have more mobility at all okay this was all painted at the same time so i can take X number of samples represent this wall 54 look at closer notice that there’s some damages odd colors don’t quite match or something and recognize that it may have been applied at a different time or a different manner so now you have a sample of those different area to make sure that the material is not there so he gets very involved so the biggest takeaway from that is just because you’re doing something maybe in a given room and you happen to be a researcher type person and you’ve looked on that list and you say oh look there’s been samples taken in this room before and they were not attacked so I must be good to go and take off with whatever you want to do don’t make that assumption still go through our process and make sure that we identify exactly for the scope of work that you want to do so again like I meant mentioned building becomes damaged the the major predominant areas that you worry about damage where it may release you know either asbestos or LED or anything like that is from floors walls ceilings and components like that you know especially if your ceiling seeing peeling paint we had we had lunch in a place it was a perfect example I just didn’t transfer the picture over soon enough but dark green paint older building where it’s just big chunks are starting to appeal from the ceiling you know we we put extra covers down before we put our plates down on the table and a quickly and left type of thing so you still see those things around but but our folks do a really good job of maintaining the campus and a lot of it is just about letting us know as soon or if you see something in these areas I mentioned the part if if anything needs to be modified or even if you’re wanting to do something simple like Hank and that type of thing they these things aren’t is all about the lead and asbestos they also fall into other general safety areas of you know hanging a picture sound simple but is the picture going to be possibly above a waiting area where students may be sitting and that anchor that you’ve put in the wall isn’t sturdy enough for whatever that picture was we have a small shaker or something happens and that picture falls on on a person and things like that so it’s it’s just very important to go through that work order system and go through customer service so that the folks that are trained on doing these types of installations and on that type of work can be the ones that that actually do that so that we can have the highest level of confidence that it’s done properly and it’s going to hold up for the amount of time we need and the conclusions are fairly straightforward but we we do a lot of work to maintain the buildings in good condition a lot of people over time last why don’t you just remove all of it all of the lead all this bestest all the hazardous stuff and be done with it and then move on it’s just incredibly one expensive and too it’s not practical in the sense that a lot of those materials especially the asbestos materials that they originally had are some really good stuff I mean whether they have have bad materials in them or none there they’re very solid materials they really stand the test of time depending on where they are and how they’re being used we have a lot of components here that have been in place since the 60s that are still doing their job just as good as is when they were first installed and so as long as we are able to to manage it check the the different materials and make sure that they are maintained in a good condition where they’re not going to become an issue for any of us then we’re in a very good state with those and so that’s what we tried to do and like I mentioned earlier when we do those bigger renovations we really do take that opportunity to remove everything from those facilities if the structure itself is still going to stand as we build back out well the thermal system insulation is one of the biggest examples but that’s in usually in mechanical rooms and usually not in spaces that people can get to in some of the buildings it may be above drop ceilings and that that’s the insulation paints on the soffits around the PE building as well as underneath the penthouse on this building on the commons and on Stephens all of those were originally painted with lead containing paint and so when they were redone again doesn’t make financial sense to try and strip them down to bare metal and then paint them anything that’s loose is is cleaned and cleared off of it and then it’s painted over to you know one repaint and get the surface we need so it looks better but to it also helps to encapsulate or trap that material but then that becomes an important piece for us to note and take record of because when we do get to a renovation point that’s something that we need to keep in mind and that’s one of the biggest things that’s been I know my pet peeve and we’ve got a lot of great facility support to avoid doing this these days but happened a lot in the past was with the flooring a lot of the vinyl asbestos tile the the small nine by nine tiles and Stevenson and parson and Nichols is asbestos-containing and what facilities was getting in the habit of just to try and and be economical and save some money was the lake over the top of those tiles it’s nice from a perspective that then you’re not touching the tiles and we’ve done a lot of work in the last year or so to to build up our waxes and materials to protect our tiles so that they don’t become impacted but what ultimately happens is then when you do go to remove that material you’re now spending two or three times the disposal costs because all of that tile is going to be stuck to that glue down carpet and there’s no way to separate it for disposal purposes and so we really even though it’s an added cost for people that want up the carpet in a room or do something along those lines we really try and encourage and push people to have that tile removed and half the glue underneath removed so that we’re it a clean slate in that room and it won’t be a bigger burden later on the easiest answer for me is that’s not my area you know ultimately you can trim the bottom of the door so it still opens and doesn’t hit your flooring but I don’t know i’m not familiar with your particular situation or how how that came to be but like I say we just you know from from the pier EH&S perspective we just really kind of push and encourage everybody this is what it is and this is what the baggage is and please don’t look at it for well I’m only going to be in this office for five or ten more years and then I’m either retiring or movement or doing whatever but think about it for you know we’re an institution we’re not going anywhere all of us are just stewards for the amount of time we’re here we’re passing on to somebody else and so you know let’s let’s leave them this little baggage possible so I hope that helps I hope that helps doesn’t really answer your question but I don’t know yes unless of course it’s just an area rug that’s not adhere to the floor but yes when it when it gets it here did it it becomes that whole issue of now you’ve got a bunch more waste when you multiple have to deal with yeah yep once they actually go to remove all of the layers but you know we can’t look at the upside and there’s a good chance they could pull the two carpets part at least battle all remain to be seen any other questions I think this is just you know again a very obvious type of thing that one of the things that that we come across often but again it’s not in general access areas but is in more mechanical rooms and things like that we have a lot of small transformers that reduce voltages from from one level to another that gets their gray and they get peeling paint on them and those were led containing as well and so our maintenance folks have actually gotten very first at dealing with those as far as is scraping them and we don’t try to again fully strip them we’re just getting the loose material off because the flaking and loose materials were trying to prevent so it’s not getting out into the environment and so you know again it’s really those types of things that you’re concerned about and and want to keep an eye on where else could you find it i mentioned this because i’m back in in a previous life when I was a consultant and was doing a lot of work for sun microsystems at that time we were doing a lot of air sampling for what they call a solder draws operation basically they were doing kind of tabletop printed circuit board type of manufacturing and the manufacturing part was fine and all the air sampling was fine on that but we wanted to investigate their cleaning operations and what happened there and and all of that type of thing well it was interesting process because through part of that process we did multiple types of blood sampling we did what they call a zinc protic orphan and which gives you more of an indicator of long-term exposure and then direct blood sampling which gives you an indication of shorter term 30 or 60 day type of blood exposure and it was very challenging for the particular group that we were working with because of the demographics of them and because their diet was heavily fish a lot of them had some pretty significant lead levels in their blood even outside of of the work environment and so it made it very tricky to separate those types of things out and so I put this up here just so you can kind of be cognizant of just a taste or a sampling of some of the other sources where these materials can come from and be an exposure to you associated to don’t forget what I did not know brass pictures bratz older brass tends to contain a lot of lead great thank you so you know those antique roadshow things I mean I’m I’m in all admitted I’m a DIY addict I’m always watching all those silly shows and you know that’s again that dorky side of my mind that’s right so is going to is when they’re grabbing these old pieces of furniture or old fixtures and stuff and we just sand them down and just do this and that and it’ll be 0 for the leg that’s actually going to come through in the water oh thank you very good to know yes unfortunately on campus we have no issues with those types of things because we really do try to change out and have lower flow and all of those types of things except in those specific older locations that I’ve mentioned where we had a couple to text and hopefully we’ll we’ll have all that resolve but that’s one of the big things is the the information that does get sent out and is posted on on the websites that type of thing for the campus really tries to to share any of that pertinent information as it comes up okay all right so now we’re to the question are any other questions that anybody has about the programs and that’s what we have on campus and like I say if you’re interested in in other topics asbestos is is extremely similar to lead as far as the way it’s managed as far as the age of buildings that have the material and that type of thing but I’m happy to discuss that one as well or other types of topics if they come up just you know final the the request factory I’m happy to set those up no this was actually a request through a settlement with the CSU EU and so they they wanted more training and more transparency and more information put out so no just for general population is that fair enough synopsis okay all right any other questions oh yes appears testimony Padma hi no they’re all in fact at this point and the home so vile on this but outside of the gluon tiles in the restrooms in certain buildings like Stevenson and probably Nichols all of the drop ceiling tiles at me though of which of those one monkey bars you can just lift the move out of the way have now been abated that they removed and they’re not as fascist in their place you’re hilarious you’re gonna steal trial rather than take all out knowing that so if we’re in an area such sniffles where is no building some work needs to be recommended jumping up into yourself told someday okay other classes Oh what are the recommended lid solder substitutes our wage I have have to look into that off the cuff I don’t you know or I am assuming you’re still using ones that are percentage led for your operations and I think fewer and I think for printed circuit board which is still you know going back to that electronic waste thing is still a huge a huge component and I’m happy to look into what some of the substitutes are but you know with all of those things there’s probably going to be some give-and-take from a cost from an effectiveness from an operational standpoint and all of those type of things but i’ll be happy to look into that in the general term for this is iso 9000 compliance free no it’s just a it’s just a direction you know like like with asbestos in life with a lot of other materials over time it’s been recognized as as the problem the prevalent problem that it has become and how much we’ve used it so it’s just a phasing phasing out of there no generic term see nope okay great well thank you very much everybody have a good afternoon you

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