Ohio EPA Webinar – Open Burning, Odors, Dust, and Asbestos in Demolition in Your Community

Hello good morning we’re gonna go aheadand get today’s webinar started my name is Mike Kelly and I’m with the divisionof environmental on financial assistance here at Ohio EPA and I will be runningthe electronic portion of the webinar this morning this webinar is part ofOhio EPA’s in your community webinar series focused on environmental issuesat the local level these webinars will occur throughout the year and cover awide range of topics from how Ohio EPA regulates pollution sources two ways onimproving the environment in your local area additional information about thesewebinars is on our in your community web page I would like to go over a fewlogistical details before I turn it over to our technical presenters we will behandling questions to the team’s Q&A feature on the right side of your screenplease type in your question and we will go over those at the end of ourpresentation if you did not use your email address to log into this webinarplease type that into the Q&A section if you have a question just in case we needto provided additional information to you after the webinar if you view thiswebinar in full-screen mode the Q&A section may go away hitting the Escapekey or restoring your screen view settings should restore that as Imentioned we are recording this webinar and we will be posting the recordingalong with the PowerPoint presentation and it usually takes us about a week orso to have the webinar edited and posted on the website and lastly we will besending out a survey to all the participants in this webinar and wewould greatly appreciate it if you could fill that out to let us know how we aredoing and to let us know if there anything else we can do to furtherassist you and with that I’m going to turn it over to our presenters today wehave Jim Cavill ak from the division of air pollution control who is going to beour main presenter and Brook grant from the Ohio air quality DevelopmentAuthority who is going to talk a little bit about some of the funding availablefor some of the issues Jim’s going to be covering so with that I’m gonna turn itover to Jim Cadillac hey good morning everybody before I get started on this Iwant to one I’ll apologize ahead of timesince my first presentation we’ll be doing from kind of stay at home so I dohave a dog that hopefully will not bark during the presentation so but forgiveme if she does I also want to say that I have a couple other of our staff on theon the webinar as well that work with us in the division of air pollution controljon paulien who’s our supervisor for the compliance section and Jeff Curtis who’sare asbestos program he runs that program so they may be chiming in if youhear a different voice that type of thing so with that I will get started onthe webinar we’re gonna go over some basic air pollution issues that you seein your local communities and how you can deal with them and what to look forand what we kind of regulate from that so we’re gonna cover open burning andthen we’re gonna go go into some asbestos and then nuisance isspecifically odor nuisances and then we’re gonna do a little bit undustedwe see complaints on from citizens and you see a lot of and then we’ll we’llput up a contact list for you so I’ll get started with the open burning andfor our open burning regulations we regulate open burning throughout thisstate based upon essentially where you live and the population is what you canand cannot burn we call these restricted and unrestricted areas so so typicallyif you in a Municipal Corporation and you can have a population of over 10,000you have certain requirements where you cannot burn within the city limits orcorporation limits and up to like a mile outside of those and then if your ifyour population would be between a thousand people and ten thousand peoplecan’t burn within those limits and like a thousand feetoutside of those so and then there’s and that’s what we based these areas on andthen it is a and then you have just certain requirements so and I’ll go sothrough some of these and what’s allowed and restricted and unrestricted butessentially you cannot burn in any area anything which contains rubber greaseasphalt plastics no garbage we see a lot ofpeople will have burned barns and sheds houses of we’re still seeing tireswe still see burning the rubber off of wiring and furniture and that type ofthing so it’s still a big issue in the state we probably do 20 enforcementcases where we actually issue fines to individuals on an annual basis andthat’s not to say how many you know complaints we go out to warning lettersget issued and that type of thing so and we’ll get into so this is kind ofwhat we allow to be burned so in a in a restricted or an unrestricted area youcan you can do your bonfire you can do your campfires you can do your grillingyou could go out use your chimenea or outdoor firepit but you can only useclean season wood and those piles can that be bigger than three feet indiameter and two feet high once you start getting above these largerrequirements you have to notify Ohio EPA and I notify there is a you couldthere’s a forum you could say hey I’m gonna have a bonfire you know for youknow over I’m having a family get-together it’s gonna be 10 by 10 andyou know we’ll we just we don’t approve it we just will say ok you notifiedwe’re aware of it we know what’s going on in case we get complaints firedepartments um something like that calls you can burn landscape waste if you’rein an unrestricted area so the outside of that Municipal Corporation so if I’mout my property out rural area I can on knock down treesI have landscape waste pull up pushes you can burn that material and then theother one is a land clearing waste or land clearing waste this would bedeveloping you know property freeze or agricultural or industrial purposes youcould you cannot burn those within the municipal corporations but you can ifyou are outside that but you have to have permission from Ohio EPA so thisincludes filling out a form submitting that form and that form will identifyyou know when you’re doing it where you’re doing it the size of it and thenwe approve that with restrictions so we will tell you that you typically all ofour items on here and even what you’re allowed to burnmost of them you cannot burn within a thousand feet of a residential structureexcept the first two bullet items so we put that on there we put restrictions onthere so you’re not if you’re having planted clearing that you’re not doingit you know during times that it’s really windy we make you donotifications to your local usually Fire Department at sheriff’s office we willput other restrictions in there as well just to be protective of the communityand then the same kind of goes for agricultural waste so this would be fromfarming operations so you are allowed to Burnett again we put these restrictionson as you could see the thousand feet from the closest inhabited building andthen you know if you’re doing if you’re outside in a rural area again you’refine as long as it stays within certain scientists limits if you’re inside cityin those municipal areas then you have to actually provide a notification to usand then a couple other ones that we see are the horticultural stiphu cultural soforest management and a prescribed burns that type of thing that are usuallyconducted by like Oh DNR and all they need to do is provide a notification tous they usually have a whole area that where they have all kinds of peoplethere that you look at you know all the wind conditions if people ready in casethe fire would like have a spot fire somewhere to put it out that type ofthing so but we do see those several times a year and then the other one isfor firefighter training so we have a lot of requests to allow a donation toknock down the residential structure for example and burn it for fire training sowe allow that with permission and part of that permission is that we will putsome restrictions like all asbestos has to be removed out ofyou have to remove the roofing the siding because that plastic material isyou know it’s pretty nasty stuff so we’re trying to minimize the airpollution as a result of that and then the last one would be is if there aresome emergency or other extraordinary circumstance and that you know so we’vehad for example you know up in an extraordinary circumstance you know thatwe’ve had before would be I’m gonna burn the or I think it’s in Ottawa County upin parkland they do a big tree burn around so they do that around one of theholidays and that has been authorized this doesn’t include burning wastes fromflooding or tornadoes damaged materials those cannot be burned so if you’re acity and you had a you know some you know the Dayton area that got hit by thetornadoes that all that material unless the governor ordered some type of youknow and approve that type of thing that material cannot just be burned so ifyou’re doing the yard waste collection within the city or talent shadowcannot burn that type of waste and there’s a few other ones that we haveitem list that are for like law enforcement or something along thoselines that would be like disposal of you know certain drugs like marijuana orexplosives that they could do movies if you’re doing like pyrotechnic effects sowe have those things can also be open burn with approval and the two most common things we seewith open burning are inappropriate waste being burned and burning too closeto a neighbor’s house or an occupied structure so that’s not on the person’sproperty so those are the two biggest things we see so for the counties citiestownships if you were receiving complaints they come in we have a greatresource online that lists everything that can be burned up burned there’spamphlets there’s questions we have open burning contacts for every county thatspecifically deal just with open burning as part of their regular job duties sothey could be contacted and I have you know and you know this website will getyou there to that area you could call our districts our local area agencies ifyou’re not aware we have several local area agencies that basically are ourauthorized agents throughout the state so Cleveland and Toledo Akron Cantondown in rapke down in Dayton area and then we have Hamilton County and oursouthwest air agency down there so we have several of them that they willrespond to those complaints and go out to those so if you do have those wewould recommend that you you notify these contacts reach out to them shootan email out if there’s questions that’s the same thing we we deal without a youknow besides those out of Columbus my group deals with open burning we handlea lot of open burning questions from not only regulated community but from firedepartments and townships so the one thing we do rely on a lotis the locals to let us know and the local fire department so we depend onthe local fire departments and volunteer fire departments they’re run reports andthey’re if they take pictures and all of that we use that as evidence to pursueviolations so and and part of that is a lot of these go on at night a lot ofthese go on you know on the weekends and we don’t have people that are actuallygoing out to most of those unless it would be some big emergency type ofevent event where our emergency response would go out too so then here’s a coupleof the nice pictures we typically see is you can see there’s some drums in hereyou know and all types of material we see everything that burned we’ve hadvotes burned the majority of the stuff we see and recently has been a lot ofbarns a lot of trailers a lot of houses and I just did normal I’m cleaning out ahouse at burning my furniture I’m throwing all this other you knowconstruction debris in that I have left lying around and that type of thingso that covers the open burning component of this so and I think I’llkeep going because I think the questions will all come at the end and read out soum I’ll go into the asbestos program here for Ohio EPA so prior to 2018 therewere two programs basically in the state Ohio EPA had a program and we regulatefrom the reauthorized program from the feds do regulate asbestos because it’s ahazardous air pollutant so we regulated the demolition and renovation of eightmint of buildings and and facilities that meet the definition of ourregulations Ohio Department of Health also regulated asbestos they do all ofit and did all the licensing of the program so they licensed all thecontractors all the training providers all the workers to make sure that theywere properly trained and how to handle asbestos from both the osha standpointand in Ohio EPA an environmental standpoint so that program in 2018 wastransferred over to Ohio EPA and we are now one program the rules are identicalalmost we cleaned up a few things but we still have a chapter that deals withspecifically highway EPA related and then we have all the licensing rules andhow you get licensed and what you have to do to be licensed so we still havethose as well so and the big thing is is in determining for anybody what you knowwhat’s regulated not is like we have to determine if that brake demolition orrenovation is happening at a regulated facility and and you know so you know welook at demolition is removing of any load supporting structure so burning isincluded in that as well I mean then renovation is alter aid altering thefacility in any way including the removalof asbestos so when we get into this and go in I’ll get into a double bit in alittle bit more how it really affects you but the big things are for ourregulations is you have to have an inspection done of the building and theydo to determine if there’s asbestos present or not and in what quantities weregulate a lot of these based upon the quantity of the material in a structureso and then you have to do a notification and this is a hugecomponent of this program it’s a notification oriented program we have anonline system now that all these notifications come in and we have peoplegoing through those on a daily basis making sure that they meet all therequirements in those notifications tell us where something’s happening when it’shappening who’s doing that who owns it who’s doing the cleanup who’s doing thedemolition how much material is there so that is all on that notification and itand it also provides us notice – we can do inspections so they typically have tosend these out and they have to wait 10 days after a notification before theycould start work it gives us time to review the project and it gives us timeto schedule inspections and then the other one is except in emergencysituations I’ll cover that in a little bit but under those circumstances youcan knock down a building and then if it’s an emergency and and notify likethe next day that type of thing so and then the other things is that wehave and obligations are to have basically you have to follow workpractices you have to make sure materials properly handled which usuallyis wetting the material properly bagging it and properly container izing it andsending it to an approved landfill and then making sure that you have the rightpeople on site that are trained certifiedI’m licensed so those are the key things we do and look at for these and that’sjust a quick overview from that and then I’ll get into a little bit so of some ofthe things and how they may affect you so if you’re seeing a lot of we’ll get alot of complaints in if somebody’s demoing a building so we look at it’sall demolitions need to notify Ohio EPA of all these demolitions there are a fewexceptions and I’ll get into those but so if you’re seeing demolition but youknow some type of building grocery store or anything you know that typically hasthey have to notify Ohio EPA they still have to get all the local permits andbuilding permits so we have a lot of confusion so people will say well I gotmy local building permit but don’t be told me to do anything else so so that’sone of the big things we see is okay there are these additional requirementsso we try to do a lot of Education on those and we have in the past havereached out to all demo contractors that we are aware of building departments andthey have to say hey can you let people know as well that you know they need tonotify of demos so and then for our requirements that I was talking aboutfor renovations and abatement projects they have to exceed certain thresholdsso if you’re over this fifty square feet 50 linear feet of material which isusually you know some of the asbestos that we’re talking about is high crapso that’s on there there will be transit siding there could be asbestos on windowglazing they could be asbestos in the drywall and plaster and that type ofthing so there’s a whole yeah I mean it’s pretty complicated it was used fora variety of products for a long long timeso so if you have over a certain quantity you basically in this firsttier is like it means you have to have a licensed person doing this workso if it’s fifty square feet 50 linear feet those were the Ohio Department ofHealth regulation limits to make say this project is regulated by us you haveto come you have to be certified licensed you have to cover all of ourregulations which we Health and Safety and some other regulations as wellmaking sure it’s properly handled so this the next ones that we have on herethat are listed we’re in Ohio EPA’s regulations and our chapter 20 rulesunder the Administrative Code and it says if you’re this type of project thenear over these quantities you’re subject to all these regulations in thisrule which are all the notification requirements that I mentioned before andall these removable requirements that we have properly packaging handling thattype of thing and then the notifications I already covered so again these weresome of the things that we listed in here I think one of the one I didn’tprobably said is that notification form also includes the removable methods okayand then here’s a few that are that really get involved in like we seecommunities and what’s regulated and what we’re not regulated and there’s alittle you know besides like a a building that’s being demoed it’s prettystraightforward what it is there are a few complicated areas in the rules thatwe deal with and it is residential structures so typically if you areresidential structure and I’m an owner I’m exempt I can knock it down myself Icould have a knock down on it’s not a problem the only and I don’t need toremove anything if I’m doing it myself the only issue with that is if I’mhiring a contractor to come in and there’s greater than 50 square feet ofmaterial then they need to be licensed and that’s the only that’s mainly theonly thing that’s there they need to be licensed to be able to handle thatproperly the other one here is its poor you’ll see it’s for a fewdwelling units so I can have a I could be the owner of apartment building andI’m exempt to knock that down if I’m if I have four or fewer units now what weget into we’re residential structures not exempt and then it is where we talkabout numerous structures where a city you know had it has a project where theybuy up a bunch of these and I’m gonna knock them all down throughout the citythat is no longer exempt that is considered an installation in this nextone so they consider that as a group of structures and that is regulated so thathas to be no tipic notified you have to remove all the asbestos and all of thatout of those buildings so this is really big and we see it all the time it’s hugenow it’s I would say written the demolition irregular residentialstructures is one of the biggest things we see and communities now and makingsure that I mean there are hundreds of them that are being knocked down in somecounties across the counties these land banks are have money to help do that toclean them up so so those are those are those are a majority of what we’reseeing a lot of and then the other component that I want to talk about inregards to asbestos those emergency demolitions so we get a lot of themwe’re a this building’s ready to fall down we need to take it down it’s it’s arisk to the public you know i it’s been burned it’s structurally unsound so inthose cases you know we we allow you to knock it down without you know doingthose asbestos requirements of you know doing the building inspection and doingan immediate notification to us if you have a written order from like a lakelake local or state government so basically sayingthis is an imminent danger of collapsing we need to take it down and then they’llknock it down and they’ll wet it as it’s being knocked down to keep dust down tobe protective and they’ll basically package it all up and ship it off asregulated asbestos containing material because they didn’t have the opportunityto go in and and do a building inspection to determine if there wasanything in there so so it all needs to be handled as as that type of thing sothose are the some of the big key things and little nuances again here’s here’swhat we see from common mistakes that owners make and companies make is notgetting a survey done or thorough survey done so they don’t do it then they godown and they they didn’t get it done they knocked down a big building or theyrip out a bunch of material inside drywall everything else and now that allhas to be treated as regulated containing material because they did notproperly do the building survey inspection so it ends up being verycostly to owners and contractors who end up doing that type of thing the otherthe other issues we see are waiting to send in notifications I mentionedthere’s a 10-day waiting period so somebody wants to do a project tomorrowand submits it in they gotta wait so unless it’s an emergency they have toyou have to sit on it and then some of the other ones is not definingcontractor responsibilities you know checking the references andcertifications so again you want to have a licensed person somebody does it youknow it knows how to properly take samples that type of thing and then weget a lot where the projects get pushed and they get changed well I can’t get toit this week so I’m gonna do it in another two weeks and they don’t notifyus and then we go out on-site and it’s a waste of time because they’re not doingany work so we are always you know remindcontractors and you know hey you gotta update these it’s you know it’s you knowreally important from our notification and inspection program so and then thedemolition of structures prior to abatement so if we’re seeing a lot ofthose that’s usually gonna get somebody where we call escalated enforcementwhich could be anything from a warning letter if it was something small up toyou know findings and orders with a penalty and the penalties when you’regetting in for asbestos as compared to open burning are substantially higher soand that one of those big reasons it’s a it’s a federally regulated program so wefollow us EPA’s guidance in regards to penalty policies and there are some morepictures from from the demolition and asbestos that we see again we see a lot of these gettingripped out we’ve we’ve gone through enforcement where we’ve had a lot ofproperties that had to go through and be cleaned up and get court orders to cleanup because they were improperly demoed so that covers pretty much asbestos andnow I’m gonna turn it over to Brooke with the Ohio Lea probably developmentauthority thank you I appreciate you what I mean to be here so I canintroduce you are out to the Ohio quality development authority and tellyou a little bit about what we do and tie in here to the discussion today thisfirst slide here I mean just read obviously about our mission is toimprove air quality in the state of Ohio and we do that by being a resource andoffering financing solutions for clean air compliance and improvement thereforeany business investing in the promotion of cleaner air and/or energy efficiencyis eligible for consideration of qda on financing if you want to move to thenext slide so we do this by two pathways or buckets a few else so we have oneprogram available which is geared more towards small business small businessesare defined for this program as independently owned and employing withless than a hundred and is typically businesses that are having difficultykind of navigating regulations and prioritizing the cost associated withkeeping up with environmentally-friendly upgrades etc so we have a program wherethey can apply and we have a small business assistance grant we have smallbusiness assistance grants available that can help them purchase equipmentfor the air quality of RO compliance with the Clean Air Act but more prudentto today’s webinar we also have the other buckif you will which is just general financing available to Ohio’s Muppetsare to larger businesses and what so the definition would be anymodification or replacement a property process device structure or equipmentthat removes reduces prevents contains alters stores disperses or disposes ofair contaminants so we really we would look to define a project by thedefinition through the definition of an air quality facility and what I justexplained to you it would be part of that so in an example of asbestosremoval any qualifying cost that the developer for example might experienceprofessional services or equipment rental etc could be financed through a aQD a bond financing and the advantages of that you can see there on the slidewould be tax exemptions so you see the little infographic down at the bottomthere explaining the process though if there was the project that you that thatwas interested in learning more about her they would apply we would evaluatethe application have some discussions discuss the project it would then bepresented to the authority members for approval if it was approved it wouldclose I’m buying financing and at that point the tax exemptions would beavailable to you to the project so sales and use tax and if there were dependingon the type of project there can also be real property tax exemptions there so itis a little bit of a complicated process we’re looking you know we want to helphelp individuals or businesses streamline that process so I am here Ican answer any questions I think I have a slide at the end with my contactinformation so we can get into a little more details needed but we just reallywant you to know that we’re here and we are ready willing and able to helpwherever it might be eating I got todaythank you so we’re gonna go on to do some discussion and cover air pollutionnuisances and I’ll kind of go through the misses I’m gonna cover this from astandpoint of when when you look at we cover two sets to our we have a nuisancerule and our nuisance rule basically says there’s two components one is foras you see here any escape into the air whatsoever of smoke ashes dust dirtgrime all of these things so that you know they have to be in an amount thatis endangering the health safety and welfare of the public and I have to beor causing you know injury or damage to property very hard a lot of times toprove that something is a nuisance it takes a lot of investigation we have tohave our legal team involved there’s no set definition of you know some of thesegive what is in danger you know and what are the amounts it’s very we have to gothrough and do a lot of investigation into these things so the other componenthere is if it’s it doesn’t even if you are a super small source like a deminimis we call it less than ten pounds per day you’re exempt from basicallyOhio EPA regulations so sometimes we’ll get into this where yeah it will getinto these where we can’t do anything because it is so small that we would sayit there it’s just not regulated so we sometimes we have to kick that backlocals to be a local ordinance and type of things like that so there are thosetimes where we have to kick that back because typically there may be a city orthe township ordinance or that would cover and have a different type ofnuisance rule in regards to it so the one I really want to get into and talkto about is odor nuisances because we get a ton of complaints in regards to itor distances so for our odor nuisance rule it basically has to be subject tothese requirements that that are listed here so it has to be subject to ourbasically these requirements for certain air pollutants so if you’re next and ifyou’re not subject to our rules that regulate particulate matter thatregularly volatile organic compounds or if you’re not subject to our permittingrules then we can they’re exempt from anything from a nuisance school so butthe nuisance rule if we do have that is similar to the other one where it saysemitting odors that are endanger the health safety welfare of the publiccousin all unreasonable injury or damage so we’ve had numerous cases where we’vedone gone after facilities again for nuisances and it’s typically those thatare ongoing odor nuisances we have you know had cases against landfills thathave just been because then overs have been above and beyond what they could bea typical landfill you know that type of thing so we do a lot of those and we tryto work with companies to button up and tighten up their operations and thattype of thing so again it takes a lot of time especially an odor nuisance toactually prove and odor nuisances actually causing harmto human health and the environment causing harm to somebody just cuz yousmell it doesn’t mean that it’s bad for you that type of thing so they they takea lot of investigation so again when you’re getting these in if you’regetting them in and you’re getting a lot of complaints from places you know werecommend you call up your local area jancey district office say hey we havethatis this has been going on for X amount of time you know you can somebodyinvestigate it take a look at it will typically go out conductinvestigation go out to the facility see if they’re subject to our rules andthen say okay you know you guys we’ve conducted you know an extensiveinvestigation we we think we have enough evidence to demonstrate that it would bea nuisance and in our legal office would get involved see if they agree and thattype of thing so that’s that covers pretty much the nuisance related aspectsagain very difficult to prove one of the big things that people don’t know is ifI’ve had a plant that’s been around and I’m say steel plant it has a certainodor to it and I move to the nuisancethey’ve been there way before you it’s a really hard basically really hard toprove that and go against the company that you move to the nuisance toactually take an action against that so that’s one thing to keep in mind with itas well it doesn’t mean that we’ll we won’t do anything we’ll try to work withthe company to reduced it and that type of you know and say we still may say wethink you’re causing the nuisance something’s changed your operationsbutton it up see what you could do and then I think the last topic that Iwanted to get into which a lot of you know communities are seeing is dust sowe regulate dust and we have that in our permits we have a specific rule for andin our rules for particular mission rules then that covers fugitive dust isanything basically that is not going through a stack facility roadwaysparking areas storage piles you know silos that are you know that type ofthing so there are a whole slew of you know requirements we have for those butthose regulations for fugitive dust are focused on what we consider in our rulesthis appendix a area and and there’s a link down there that you can see and I’mjust for the sake of not going back and trying to load it up or not I’m not suremy computer will kick me out of the presentation so you can go in there andsee for your area of you’re subject to this fugitive dust in this areabasically it’s the more populated counties cities townships there could bean entire county that is listed and subject to fugitive dust certaincounties may have certain cities or townships so so I encourage you if youhave questions you could go and look at that and say oh you know it lists itstraight out and it has not been revised for a long time for my understanding soI’m not sure you know when they created it you know you know if the item for myunderstanding they haven’t we analyzed that thing for a long time so um so whatthose requirements are you’re supposed to take reasonably available controlmeasures so to reduce dust not you you basically need to use wateror some other chemical on roadways if you’re if you’re doing cutting you woulddo you know and then sawing those type of construction operation things theyusually have a bag that can collect a dust or they have to use wet saws makingsure trucks are covered and then other items would be like heaven hoods andcapture systems sweeping roads having a street sweeper those types of things sothose are what we all consider that and have the requirements were minimizingdust so drop Heights from if I may having a storage pile and I have a youknow I’m crushing something and it’s going on a conveyor belt up into astorage pile low lowering the drop height so you’re not dropping it from 20feet you’re down to like and that reduce is the amount of dust that is generatedso those are some of the things that we’re talking about here and we do havethere are limits and we put them in a permit they are in the rules for visibleemissions so we have them from roadways storage piles and that type of thingthat so if we get a complaint we would go out and investigate our person woulddo readings to see if they’re meeting that so if we see a certain amount for acertain time and it you know those type of things that could lead to a violationfor a company and if it continues over a long period of time escalatedenforcement so so that’s kind of the dust requirement from there and when Isay and said if you’re outside of say a you know the appendix a area thosepopulated counties in that we still look at that make burn put in a permit for acompany requirements to eliminate or reduce dust typically in thoserequirements in those areas we will put inand have them submitted a work practice plan so that work practice plan isbasically the company explaining how they’re going to do what steps they’regoing to take to limit or eliminate dust so we do put it in other permits as well again I’ll go through it was prettyquick I’m there but here’s some pictures as well as what we see from fugitivedust a lot of a lot of associated withroadways we see and get a lot of complaints on that and coming off ofpiles from their loading piles and all all that type of thing one thing wedon’t regulate is the actual public roadways are exempt and there are othersources that are exempt in our rules so but we do regulate the give a companyfor example this trucks leaving the facility and dragging it out the dragout and then we say well your your risa spending material on the road you needto make sure that it’s trucks covered you know if you have to have a wheelwell wash to make sure that materials knocked off of that they need to orsweep that type of thing so we do do that but we wouldn’t regulate that’slike a normal normal like other normal traffic’s on the roadway and it’s justkicking up all kinds of dusts you know that type of thing we that’s notsomething we regulate a lot of them we have for constructionand now we have other programs that would regulate this too so like ourdivision of surface water as the program’s to that they they have to havebasically for construction that you can’t you know you have to containmaterial that’s going off-site it just can’t wash off so that is pretty much the end of mypresentation for the most part a couple of things I wanted to kick in its Inteland make put on everybody’s Raiders we know everybody is over and everybody asdust and that the expectation should be there should be zero it’s it’s not arealistic expectation so we really try to address those really problem areaswhere it’s ongoing we need to you know that type of thing so we should getinvolved when you observe a business it’s excessive dust being generated onthe property strong odors ongoing that type of thing that we can investigateand again you could reach out to our districts office local offices and thelast thing which I kind of covered is just because you spell something doesnot mean it’s harmful mulch is a perfect example wastewater treatment plants area perfect example they smell but not really not reallyharmful from that perspective so and then who should you contact each officehas an open burning contact we have as our specialist program has in everydistrict and local they had one or more individuals that handle asbestosthroughout the state those people are all certified all licensed all capableof pulling samples so they’re very strong group of inspectors we we inspectprobably 1,500 to 2,000 inspections we conduct on facilities per year so andthen I’ll pull up we have a lot of resources online we do have a map herethat we could go to and if I could I’ll stop sharing my screen for a minute andI’ll show you the map and this is the map of our our localsand district offices again that link will get you to their online if you needto print it off there’s a PDF version up there so these are district officetypically and the managers there is a separate list on our website if you winit in and hit open burning information and the link I gave before for thespecific local and district office contact for open burning and I believeif you went to the asbestos page there may be the same thing so I’ll stopsharing that but if you have any questions in regards to it any doubt onanything call us up the staff is more than willing to answer questions you canemail us that type of thing and also then we’re all kik you I’m gonna kick itover to back to Mike Kelly here who’s gonna also talk about cover a little bitof what his office does thanks James very good I’m with the office ofcompliance assistance and pollution prevention we can provide a number ofdifferent ways to kind of help you with all the issues Jim talked about ourassistance is free and confidential we have a toll-free hotline and you like itas you can see from the number on the slide we also have a live chat featurethat’s available 8 to 5 you can access through the Ohio EPA front page the mainweb page for the agency and then you can also contact us by email or phone and inaddition to that if you have questions about you know like permitting we alsohave a thing called called a permitting wizard which you may or may not needlike in in some of the dust situations it’s a you know like Jim had talkedabout um and again you know we’re a good resource if you’re not quite sure whereto go you know like you need a place to start you need help kind of navigatingour web pages or just you know want us to put you in touch with one of Jim’sfolks one of Jim’s contacts that he mentionedyou could do the next slide please we also have staff in each of a high OEpiays five district offices and the chances are if you contact us throughthe chat feature throughout what a 1-800 number or some other means we’llprobably ask you what county you’re in and try you try and get you in touchwith those folks they work with the local leaders kind of on a one-on-onebasis they can put you in touch with whatever resources are available locallyas well as serve as a conduit for all the information resources that Jim istalking about I think there’s a another slide please and yeah lastly I just wanted to pointout that the Ohio air quality Development Authority but couldn’t staywith us but you know feel free to contact her her contact informations onthis slide if you have questions about possible funding opportunities for youknow some of the things that Jim and talk about so with that I think thatconcludes the actual you know formal presentation that we have please keep inmind that there’s some links and stuff that Jim I pointed out throughout hispresentation we will have this PowerPoint available on our websitewithin about a week or so so you’ll be able to access those links that want notthrough that on off of our website um I think we got a couple of questionsduring during the presentation so I’m just gonna go ahead and read those andask Jim Jeff Gertie’s and jon paulien to just kind of you know you might respondto those as they can the first one was please address open burning of leavesare they considered yard waste what are you three guys want to respond to thatI’d greatly appreciate it sure I could do that yes so they you cannot burn yourleaves if you are located in that restricted area but then those municipalcorporation limits so it is considered yard waste so if I am outside thoselimits I can burn my leaves but I cannot do that within a thousand feet of aneighbor they’re inhabited structure not their property line but within athousand feet of an inhabited structure so yeah so it is considered a okay umthe next question is what options does a person a person have if they live in ahouse with asbestos shingles on the sides of the house and this person wouldlike to get rid of the asbestos shingles and get siding would you leave theasbestos shingles on and place sighting over them I’m assuming or remove theasbestos yeah so this is Jeff Curtis I’m thesupervisor in these bestest program so we get this question fairly often and itis pretty common to have asbestos siding which is you know some cement board typematerial and and so typically asbestos siding does not apply if removedproperly asbestos siding does not apply to the Ohio EPA rules that’s typically anon friable material and if we’re moved properly in accordance with the OSHArequirements which they say remove it intact that that would that that wouldyou know not trigger the Ohio EPA rules so basically what it comes down to is ifthey’re removing it intact they can they can I’ve seen it done both ways you canleave it on the house and put the siding over top of it or they they remove itsometimes now I have seen when they shoot the nails through the siding ifthey leave it in place it can break it I’ve seen times where the nail goes incleanly and it does not break it so the more you break it the more potentialthere is for exposure the more potential there is for it to become any asbestosto become airborne and the more potential for them to make it friablewhich could if it becomes friable then the Ohio EPA rules could become you youknow come become regulated that material and Ohio EPA rules were apply so itreally depends on what the homeowner wants to do if the homeowner decides wetry not to regulate the homeowner doing work in their own home if the homeownerhires someone that’s when the the the rules change and there’s more thingsthat apply osius that’s all the work practices the training requirements todo that kind of work they say how you got to do it they talk about workerprotection stuff so those rules are going to be triggered but if you’re thehomeowner and you want to do the work yourselfhave at it you should for disposal you should contact the landfill that youintend on sending it to to determine whether they are allowed to accept thattype of waste or not and how they want it packaged so yeah if there’s any otherquestions relating to that you know you feel free to give our program a call sixone four four six six zero zero six one is our direct phone number and that ison our website and Jim mentioned about the maps the map is on our website ofall the delegated and district offices so that’s it thanks Jeff um and we’ve got a couplefinal questions before I wrap things up one is just can we receive the slides ofthis presentation I’ll provide the link where it can be located on a highway PAwebsite thanks yeah when you registered for this webinar andlike I mentioned before we will be sending out a follow-up webinar surveythe link to the Ohio EPA’s in your community website will be on that andagain and give us about a week or so and we should have all this information upplus a recording of the webinar or at least where you can get to a recordingof the webinar off of that web page and down someone asked about getting acontinuing education our certificate if you can just chat your email address inwe’ll make sure that that that till it gets to you or otherwise you can justsend an email um you know through the only call our 1-800 number or any ofthose contact options for the office of compliance assistance and pollutionprevention we can get that to you and with that we are almost right at 11o’clock if there’s no further questions I’m gonna go ahead and thank everybodyand I hope you enjoy today’s webinar thank you very much

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