5. Stop the next wave-asbestos awareness for young and new workers in construction

– Thanks Cameron, thank you very much. Yes, welcome to this session. I’m very pleased and very privileged to be here on behalf ofthe Foundation today. So this session normallytakes an hour and a half. I’m actually going to obviouslyreduce that for today. So, I’ll explain as I goalong any shorter parts. Silent Killer, this was rolled out across TasTAFE colleges andother colleges last year and we reached 1,000 studentsbut where did it come from? Well I’ve done a lot of work with workers through various projectsand I kept hearing stories and I thought ope, I’vehad enough of these stories.Why is it still happening? I don’t want to hear any more. So I said to them,”What have I got to do?” And they said “Colette,you’ve gotta get out “to the young people, toapprentices and workers “who are just new.” And I said “Right, that’swhat I’m going to do.” So on behalf of the Foundationwe put this together and obviously we’ve gotour supporters that have supported us with thatproject, thank you to them. What am I gonna cover today? I’m gonna cover what it is, the health hazards,where you might find it, a little bit about the law because there is a law and we need to know about that and finally how to communicatea hazard in the workplace. This is really important for young people to feel strong and empowered to do that.So what it is because there’s a lot of myths and things aboutit, the health hazards, where you might findit, a bit about the law and obviously how to communicatea hazard in the workplace. How am I gonna do that? Okay today I’m goingto do that by obviously we have here a PowerPoint presentation. We’ve got images to show you of where you might find it in the workplace. I have a quiz at the endbut we might put that out afterwards on PDF,so check your knowledge. I have some sample pictureswe’re gonna show you today. I can’t show you obviously the live samples but we do have them here. Questions and answers, I am gonna ask you a question or two even thoughyou’re out there somewhere and that’s about it, that’s how we’re gonna cover those objectives today.I was setting up like this, a few weeks ago I cameand set up and there was a carpentry class going on, Cert-Two and I was with the tutorand this young lad came in and he said “Sir,” he said”This electrical unit, “it smells like it’s burning.” And the tutor Nathan, hesaid “Thanks for that. “Put that on there, we’ll have it tested.”That shouldn’t have happened. “We’ve got 14 new ones,why has that happened?” So, Nathan just sat downand we started the class and I thought that’s areally good example of how to communicate ahazard in the workplace because he didn’t make abig fuss with his mates in the workshop, saying”Oh, I’m not touching that. “It smells like it’s burning.” Didn’t do that. He didn’t go “Oh, I’ll justput that in the cupboard “and I’m not gonna say anything.” He didn’t do that, okay? He walked straight in andassertively reported it. Why are people not doingthat sometimes with asbestos? Why are they not doing itwith some other hazards? We need to change thatand I know everyone’s working really hard at that at the moment. So this is just awarenesstoday, to make you aware. It’s not training or anything like that and it comes from evidence of stories I’ve heard and people I’ve met and I hope that you enjoy it.So let’s start, what is it? What is asbestos? So many people say “Oh Colette, “I don’t need to do thatbecause I know all about it.” But what is it, have weforgotten what it is? I know some of you willbe much more aware. Think about it, think about three things that it is in your head right now. Okay. Let’s see if you’re right. Here’s a few things about asbestos. I ask the classes sometimesbut not many people tell me that it’s anaturally-occurring fibrous mineral. Natural, in the ground, there’s rock, there’s asbestos ranges up north. It’s a naturally-occurring fibrous mineral and up here as well there’s other things. Not many people tell me it’s a class one cancer causing agent.We know that now and then we’ve got obviouslyother points up there. Did you get any right? Maybe you did, I hope you did. Obviously, it was a miracle product in its time and it was widely produced as you probably know in your industry. You may not know that there’s no minimum safe exposure level for anyform of asbestos fibers. Now that’s from the WorldHealth Organization. Obviously in work practicesthere are some levels, naught-point-naught-one-onemillimeter, whatever. We’re talking about fibers and being exposed to fibers once they’re released. We’ll come to that in a moment. There is no minimum levelof exposure to those inhaled fibers, we don’tknow enough about it. Now we still know what itis, we’re doing quite well. So hopefully you did get a few of those. Three types. Forget the posh wordsunless you actually want to learn them, they’re up thereif you want to see them.I just say the white, the brown, the blue. White, brown and blue. I’m gonna walk in front ofhere only ’cause I like to walk around but which one doyou think’s the most dangerous? Well, the answer is all of them. They’re all asbestos, it doesn’tmatter what color they are. Now some workers say, a bit of a myth, “Oh the blue color’sgot big barbs on the end “of the fibers and theyhook in your lungs.” You know, so the white one’s all right, you can drill into that.No. They’re all asbestos, theycan all actually harm you and cause health issuesand sometimes worse. Okay, you know it was used widely. We’re still on what it is, let’s move into the health issues. We’ve already covered what it is now. We’re now moving intowell why is it a hazard to health? What are those fibers doing? So, I’ve already explainedand I think this is very, very important thatit’s when the fibers are released that it becomeshazardous to your health, okay? I’m not saying it is in thisbuilding but I don’t know.You know it’s not a point saying “Oh look, “I’m not going in that room,it’s got asbestos on the wall.” No, this is sealed. It’s painted, bonded. That’s fine. It’s when the fibers arereleased that we start to hesitate about what we’re doing. As a result of those fibersbeing released and inhaled, I’m not a health expertby any means but on the outside of our lungs we have a very fine layer of lining and basically we get a number of diseases from asbestos fibers.So pleural plaques, alot of people are walking around just with scarringof that lung tissue. Pleural plaques, that won’t kill you but over time that can causeproblems later down the line. Asbestosis. Asbestosis. Now, this is where the lung hardens and I’m afraid you never get that back. You can’t say “I’ll go to thedoctor and get that back.” So the capacity of your lung to breath in and out is significantly reduced. We have a person on our, who works with us as a volunteer and on our board. So he was going to get hislunch out of car one day and he was running acrossthe car park just to get it and he thought I’m out ofbreath, why am I out of breath? And just like that obviouslyhe got it followed up and went to the doctor andhe has mild asbestosis. If that is severe then the capacity of your lung will obviously decrease and that’s very similar tosymptoms of emphysema. Now, we have written a publicationand you can get this on our website as well,Understanding Asbestos Diseases and to be honest withyou, even I didn’t get it.I didn’t really understand the impact of these diseases until I’d met people and I’veheard so many stories now about loved ones who’ve actually died or been seriously ill. So I did go, I went to interview a couple of people and that’s where I met Jake. Now Jake actually had, he had mesothelioma. Now I don’t know how manyof you have heard of that but this is where he didn’t know until he was driving his Lorie home one night and he got a pain in his back here and he thought wow, my seat must need adjusting so he pulled over and adjusted his seat, drove home. Sitting in his chair laterhaving a cup of tea, he told me and he thought I’ve stillgot that pain, what is that? And he went and had itchecked out and unfortunately at Latrobe Hospitalthey discovered a tumor growing on the lining of his lung.Now that is mesothelioma. There isn’t a cure for that I’m afraid. So, these diseases can be caused by theinhalation of asbestos fibers. There’s no cure for mesothelioma and we want people to just be aware of that, very aware because I have now met people and spoken to them and their whole family have been devastatedby the loss of someone. To culminate that story,I’ve got a picture of Jake at the end and Iwon’t show the leaflet now ’cause it wouldn’t beeffective in this environment. I went to Jake’s funeralat the end of April and he was 63 and I’ve met him a few times and it is not right thatsomeone of that age is dying. So that’s the other thing about asbestos. Now, what happened with Jake was that that fiber works its way all the way down the lining into the alveoli. Right at the bottom of yourlungs there’s these tiny, microscopic particles on the end of your, to pump your oxygen ’round.I’ll do the best I can butactually that lodges in there and you can’t see thosewith the naked eye. That fiber is smaller than those alveoli and so it works itsway down and it sits there and as some of you willknow, it sits there for a long time before itcan erupt into a disease. So we’re looking at 15 to 40 years before somebody can get ill. So I have met electricians,I’ve met people now have lost theirmates in their early 60s because I’ve just donethis across all of TasTAFE and I’ve heard too many stories. It’s too early, it’s20 years off your life and you want to retire,you’ve worked all your life. That is not funny and I’m putting it mildly because it does affect you when you meet people or someone in your family, so don’t let it happen.Right, so made that point. Now what was the quote, Iwonder if you can remember that? There is no minimum safe level of exposure to asbestos in any form, World Health Organization. Try to remember that, get that in there and then that may impacton what you do next. Okay so we’ve covered what it is, we’ve moved into the health issues and we’re still going tojust make a point about what the Medical ResearchCouncil has noted. You can read that for yourselves. I’ve spoken to firefighterswho’ve been into fires like Dunalley and what’sleft on the hills? What is left? This stuff, so don’t,we’re gonna come across it. We cannot get rid of it overnight, it’s not possibleand it’s not realistic. So just be aware of it, that’s all that I’m trying to make the point of here. It is insidious, it’s toxicand it is really persistent. Now, I’ve done this for someworkers and I had a worker who once said to me “Colette,you’re making a big fuss.”You know, you’ve got a Foundation. “There’s probably only acouple of people dying. “What are you making a fuss about?” Well apart from the factI’ve met people now, so even one of you, one of you out there who dies too early from thisexposure, that is not fair. But actually, we’ve got quite a few. So I’ll just put it into perspective very quickly for you, sorry. I asked this question. Some of you out there, youmay know how many and it was men in World War One,mostly men, predominantly men. Australians, how many Australian men do you think died in World War One? Have a guess. Okay I’ve had various guessesfrom way low to way high. We’ve got a very smallpopulation in Australia, don’t forget and in WorldWar One it was really small. 60,000. 60,000, so not hundreds, thousands. Now that was 15% of the male population in Australia so it made a big dent. Now I just want to putthis into perspective.I thought I’d bring it upto date and in May 2015, WorkSafe itself wrote, had a report out. 12 a week are dying and that was figures from, here it is here from a 2015report going back to ’13. Now the thing aboutthis disease and we said stop the next wave, it comesin waves, these deaths. First lot was about 20,000,I think it was 19,000. Big wave of deaths becauseit takes so long to emerge. Who do you think was the first wave? I hear some of you sayingit was the miners and the people who worked in thefactories making the products. Absolutely right, they’re the first wave. Second wave, who’s thesecond wave, who are they? Well they’re the people whoinstalled all the stuff. The people who work with it, the builders, the carpenters, theelectricians, the plumbers, the floor tilists, the tire fitters. They’re the next wave.They’re the people whoare feeling it right now. You’d think that wouldbe enough, wouldn’t you? But no that is not enough,there’s a third wave. I bet some of you may think about it but we need to get serious with this. There is a third wave,I’m holding this up. You may not be able to seeit, it’s the home renovators. DIY enthusiasts. But we have been supported by DIY outlets and we’ve put out15,000 of these booklets. So a lot of you will do home renos, a lot of you will have family who do that.You can download this free on our website. It’s got images, it’s gotwhere to go, what to do. So that’s a usefulpublication and we’ve got one coming out for tradiesvery, very soon next month. They’re the third wave, it’s recognized. We don’t know enough as Isay because that third wave, you know one exposure,we can get mesothelioma. We’ve had a couple ofwomen have died recently from helping theirparents do DIY when they were younger, seven and eight years old. A woman of 48 just died. We don’t know enough,so it’s not worth it. There’s not enough studies been done.Why would the plumber who’s worked with it for 40 years notget ill and his partner who put the washing in thewashing machine has got ill? I was quite shocked theother week because I saw a metal fabricator, he’sthe tutor and he said “Colette do you know what, I had a mate “and he lost his wife with mesothelioma.” He said “But that wasn’t the worst of it, “his daughter got it as well.” He didn’t get it. What is that telling you,is it telling you anything? ‘Cause it’s starting to sort of sink in for me and it really has sunk in now. We don’t know enough andit’s highly dangerous. It could be a biologicalreaction, we don’t know. Obviously higher exposure,we know asbestosis et cetera is longer term, higherexposure but mesothelioma, we don’t know.So, there’s the figures to putit into perspective for you. This, this is onto the clues. We’ve covered what itis, the health hazards. Now here’s where you might find it and we’re gonna beginwith some clues for you. Look at this, look at it. (sigh) I sort of, I won’t show, I won’t show how upset I am here but this is the timeline. So we started churningit out in the factories ’45, 40 years and that’s okay,it was a miracle product.It made lots of things out of it. it was prolific but they, they realized but of course in other countries we realized a bit earlier. ’84, let’s stop it. Let’s stop, let’s stop making it. Let’s shut those factories down. ’84. But what happened was they stockpiled it and they could still use it because it wasn’t banned in Australia,can you believe it? I should’ve asked you to guess, 2002 and of course for laws it’s 2003 because we left it a year to ban imports. So that timeline is a cluefor you people out there who work and work with it and workin different buildings, okay? 2003, end of story in Australia. All right, so we’re still on where we might find it and looking at the clues. How do you know it’s asbestos? Well here’s anothercouple of clues for you.They didn’t make 200 products. Maybe 500? 1,000? No. 3,000 identified products out there that have been identified, 3,000. So that’s another clue, how do you know? How could we possibly know that? And the other thing is thatwe do kinda know as well now is that any house orbuilding built before 1990 is likely to have it. You can pretty much probablyput your money on that it’s gonna be in there somewhereif it’s built before that date and the reason as I showedyou the timeline earlier, because ’84 they stopped manufacturing it. So it starts to peter out after that, it starts to get lessand less prevalent but it could still be inside certainplaces until that end date. But this is where it’s likely to be. Now I only usually quote,well I do quote facts and figures and I can’t put it on here but I have heard it’s 67% likely to be there if it was built before 1990. I can’t prove that, I sawthat and read that somewhere.Okay. Now I’m gonna leave thatlast point for a minute because I want to, at this point I’d usually actually show you examples of asbestos-containing materials and I’ve got some with me here today and what we’re gonna try to do is we’ve taken some photos because that’s the best I can do foryou out there and we can just flick through some. I think the first one, ifI get them in the wrong order my chap up there willtell me but Lino Backing. Yeah, we got a bit of Lino. Now it’s funny ’causeI’ve got pictures as well coming up shortly andwe’ll go through it but it’s in the backing, it’snot in the Lino itself. It’s in that backing. The minute you start pulling that Lino up, up comes that dust. Now, I suppose at this point I should mention and it’s not a technicalcourse and it’s not training but there’s friable asbestos and there’s non-friable or bonded I showed you earlier and the definition of friableis if you can crumble it between your finger, yourmiddle finger and your thumb, pulverize it, it is dustor dust already, that is friable asbestos and that isthe most dangerous format.So it’s not in the Lino but what do you think that’s like on the back? The next one is mill board. Now, I’ll give you a clue here ’causewe’re gonna look at a few. One of these I’m gonna show you is 98% containing of asbestosand another one on here, I hope I’ve got ithere, might not have it, oh I have, is 100%asbestos-containing and the others, you know so we’re looking atfriable, bonded, have a guess. Mill board. Often confused with cement sheet. It can be in wet areas, okay? Wet areas, heat areas butusually instead of cement sheet we’ve found it inbathrooms and places like that. Now, I don’t know if you cansee it in the picture but have a guess at that. Have we got the floor tile next? Have we got our floor tile? Great, floor tile, still working.Vinyl tiles, they’re very common. It is in the tile, it isin there but the worst bit and I’ll tell you laterit doesn’t actually matter now about percentagesbut under it is something that’s commonly known as Blackjack Glue. That’s under the tile, it’s in the glue. You start pulling those up, leave them. There, here. Leave them, they’re fine. Start pulling them up, alarm bells. Okay. Roof shingle. No we haven’t got roof shingle but I’ve got one here inmy hand but never mind. Cement sheet. What have you got next? – [Martin] Air conditioning duct work. – Okay. Air conditioning, likeit’s the duct, the mastic. It’s in the mastic sometimes,so like fabricators and that and when it’sglued onto the wall, that can get really old. If it’s old, obviously theyear of it is important. People don’t really know that. There is a gasket here and that’s found in a lot of electrical units and other boilers et cetera, cars, all of that.That’s a gasket, electricalboard I’ve got here. I’ve got a number but we can’t show you them on the camera, it doesn’t work. It’s better that you cansee it and cement sheet, you can hear that, it’s really hard okay? Mill board, no, doesn’t do that and window putty, usually in those ’60swindows that are metal. Now, we got rope, lots of samples that I can’tactually show you today of different products, thousands of products, couldn’t do it.Now, with this mill board, MartinI don’t know if you can just share it with me saying it but I asked you to guess. One of them on here is100% that we’ve mentioned, I mentioned, you didn’t seea picture and one is 98%. We were gonna sorta do atext thing but we won’t. Basically I’m gonna get you to guess but I’m hoping already you realize mill board is 98% containing of asbestos. So when I began my workshops, I’ve already changed this sample twice because the pieces were one piece and already it’s crumbled down to that just from people looking at it. So it’s very different to cement sheet. You see, that’s still intact. It’s just broken around the edges there.It’s not intact actuallybut anyone guess the gasket? I’ve only had four correct guesses out of 1,005 people. The gasket is made from100% asbestos fibers because they just compress it like that. Now, just to be clear about the fibers, I thought someone hadeaten their lunch one day, one of the apprentices and come back and put their greasy hands on this bag. I though who’s done that? Anyway but I cleaned itand when I went to the lab, my guy at the lab, he says “Colette, no. “You’re not getting it, they’rethe fibers you can’t see.” He puts one fiber under a microscope and 20 or 30,000 more are around it. They’re the fibers, it’s like a mist. You know that bag shouldbe clean and clear, it is like dirt and a mist,you can’t see those fibers. So they’re the ones you can’t see. Just letting you know because I learned that afew months ago as well, I was quite shocked by that.So, how do I know? Well I can guess all I like, I’ve done it myself in a house I bought. I can keep guessing, I cango “Is that cement sheet? “Is it old, is it new?” You will get good atguessing and some of you, I’ll show you images in a moment, you will recognize themand you’ll be pretty good.But you have to be trained in the identification of asbestos and it must be tested in a lab and it has to be NATAaccredited, that lab. That’s like international accreditation. So it’s a simple labtest that has to be done and that will be givenback to you with a result. It will probably tell youwhether it’s crystal tile or what the type is and do you know what, they used to put the percentage because I got one a few months backor probably a year now, over a year actually.They don’t put that anymore, they don’t give you the percentage because it’s not important once the fibers are released. It’s irrelevant so now NATA accreditation does not require a percentage. Okay we’re gonna whizthrough some images now. I hope the lighting is allright for these images. I mean usually I turnthe lighting down but here’s some samples of whereyou might find it at work and I’m gonna flick throughthem obviously due to our time and see how you go, haveyou seen any of these? And I might just pop a coupleof comments in as we go. There’s the old shed. Super Six roofing. You know this used to come off in molds at the factories off the, you know, mixed together with usually cement dust, off they would come off the roller. Now I’m making a pointabout this sheet because I was packing up from a workshoponce and I’m not joking, it was a business but I won’tsay which business it was.But the guy was, all wentout and this guy waited and he came back to meand he was six foot, he’s gotta be six foot four and he came to the desk where he was packingup and he said “Colette?” I said “Yeah, how can Ihelp you?” and he said, he said “I haven’t beenthe same bloke since “I was in a roof space and I “got exposed to dust in the roof space.” And I said “Mate sitdown, sit down a minute.” We shut the door and I you know, I had to actually, wefollowed up with support. We offered him numbers and he’s six foot four, he’s a big guy and he said “Colette, I’ve got two kids.”I cannot sleep at night. “I keep thinking about it. “It’s in my body and I can’t get it out.” And if there’s one thing about today that I hope you do leave with is it is not fair to put anyone in front of it and even yourself actually ’cause you’re the only ones today whocan make that decision. It is not fair becauseit messes with your head. Not everybody, we all reactto incidents differently. WorkSafe will tell you that,we all react differently but it is not fair andmany workers who are now in their 50s and 60s say tome “Colette, on and off “throughout my life I’veworried about it because “I used to cut it with a sawand I used to do whatever.” It is in and out of their mind because it’s in your body, you think.You think, it may not beand you may never get ill but in that roof space,I’m gonna point this out. This is old, this is 40 or 50years old, this roof space. It rains, it’s windy andit’s coming down those grooves like a river andit’s ending up in there and the roof is likethat and there’s a gap, an air gap and all that dustcollects inside that roof. So if you see that on a roof, hazard. It should actually say it but there are still many of these around. It’s inside around the edge and you go in and you’re walking on therafters and all the dust is coming up, you’redoing some work up there.Electricians in particular, plumbers and I won’t forget that chap because it’s not good for your mind, it can cause mental health. We had a session before thison mental health at work. It is very important to think about that. Okay, keep going. Pipes, tiles on the roof, shingles. Flexible building boards, that looks modern to me but there you go. It’s in those flower potsthere as well I think. I’ll show you them in a minute. Guttering and down pipes. There’s the roof, another one but that, can you see it’s worn in the corner and that used to be in good nick once. It was bonded once, now it’s not. It has actually become more friable. Telstra pits were made andthey’re still out there and guys doing communicationsthat have to be trained. There’s your vinyl floor tiles, okay? We’ve spoken about those but of course it is also in the glue that’s underneath.We talked about the Lino,it’s not in the Lino, it’s in the backing andcan you see that backing? Very soft and as soon as you pull that up, the dust is coming upwards. That is an example of the mill board that I showed you earlierand we spoke about. Textiles, felts, gloves, youknow protective equipment. It is heat-resistant,it is water-resistant. It’s gonna be in those places so again alarm bells when you’regoing to those places. We got the gaskets and I actually toldyou about one of those. Imitation brick cladding, it’s in the backing board of those. That’s a really bad situation. Lagging is already friable. It just comes up thatway because they didn’t mix it with very much atall I don’t think, at all. So that’s known as friable. You can see the bottom of thepipe in the left-hand picture.I don’t know if you can but it’s already damaged and that situation on the right is not a situation you wantto be walking through. Heat shields in the fuse, that’s that heat shield that’s friable. It’s just like cotton woolin there it looks like and the three electrical boards. So, yeah I’ve had lots of electricians tell me that’s what they used to do as apprentices was make the holes anddrill the holes in this, it’s known as Zelemite,there’s other products, names. Zelemite board, his jobwas to drill in that and I remember a guy, Tonytold me about his mate he met every year at thefestival and didn’t turn up one year so he rang homeand spoke to his wife.June I think her name was, yeah and she said “I’m really sorry, “he died three monthsago with mesothelioma.” He used to meet him everyyear and he was just sitting in the room withme and told me that story. Again impactful, he was52, he was an electrician. That’s what he used to do. Federal board in the middleand another similar board. So, We’ll come to Safe WorkPractices in a moment. You wouldn’t be touchingthose now, nowadays and insulation around boilers. Okay so we’ve covered what it is, the health hazards,where you might find it. We’ve done a couplelittle samples close up in pictures and we’ve lookedat images on the board. Now we’re gonna move into ournext section which is the law, a little bit about the law.It’s a shame really, isn’t it? It’s a shame they had tobring in a law, hate that. I like it when people make the right decisions and they do the right thing. We don’t need policing and laws but it’s been in since January the First, 2013 and WorkSafe obviouslyhave Codes of Practice. It’s very, very clear,those Codes are there. There are Safe WorkPractices in those Codes in how to control and manageasbestos in the workplace and there’s another one abouthow to safely remove asbestos. You have to be trained in those Safe Work Practices and you have to be trained to remove it and to identify it.From the beginning toend, even to disposal, you have to know what you’re doing and if you don’t know by now why,because I’ve told you, That is why there’s alaw because it’s toxic. It contaminates thingsand clothes and it can shut down a workplace for weeksif you do the wrong thing. So you may as well do it properly and professionally and look after people. Then you don’t have, it takes a day. It can take a few hours to geta test result back literally and it costs between $75 and you know, maybe $100 for a test. So it’s not expensive in the scheme of things. So, these are the new laws. Now I haven’t got an image to show you but they’re orange, the Safe Work Practices,I’ll just show you. I don’t know, we probably can’t get that but they look like that, is that okay? That’s the one I’m talking about here.That’s How to Manage and ControlAsbestos in the Workplace and there’s the other one about removal. But I’ve got something I want to say to you now about this law. I just want to make youaware that there is a law. It’s not my job to go throughthe law bit by bit today, that isn’t my job. Go to WorkSafe, you’ll find those Codes. You’ll find everythingthat you need but even so, you still have to have training. So you know and TasTAFE and people like that offer training. So what I’m gonna donow because of the time, I would normally go intothis in more detail. I’m actually, you’ll have to forgive me but I’m gonna flick through and give you the main points on these next slides and we’ve got an opportunityfor questions at the end via text, so happy to gointo more detail then. So, one of the biggest changes is that oh, the employer. It’s their fault, leave it with them.I’ll go and rip all that up, leave the dust and go on to my next job. Get in the ute, off I go. No. No, you can’t do that. You have a duty of care under this law. So you know the lagging, youknow I can’t open the door and, no, you can’t just gooff and leave it because there are rules under thisbecause you could be a PCBU which is a Person Conductinga Business or Undertaking.That could be you now. Even if you’re on a bigwork site and you’re up doing the bathrooms up inUnit Two, that could be you. So that’s the biggest change in this law. That’s the definition butI’m now gonna flick on to the next slide. There are regulations aboutidentification and you know you can’t just sort ofguess and say to someone, “Oh no you’re all right,that’s not asbestos. “You go ahead and drill into that.” No. You know, do you knowwhat you’re talking about? Does the person you’re withknow what they’re talking about? It has to be a competent person, okay? And the one thing Iabsolutely love about this law for young people and new apprentices is if you’re not sure, you canassume the presence of it. I told you about thedates of the buildings.You think well it’s built in’84, it’s got all that stuff. I’ve seen that in that picture. No, I think that might be asbestos. You are allowed to assumeit is before it’s analyzed. You don’t do it afteryou’ve drilled into it. You can stand back and say “Idon’t feel safe touching that, “I just want to know, makesure what it is first.” Under the law you’reprotected and you can do that. So I really like that about the law. Assume the presence until it’s analyzed. Signage, I’m just showingyou those examples at the bottom but at theend of the day in that room, you open the door, there’s all that lagging dust everywhere on the floor.You’re like “Oh, I’m not going in there.” Shut that, go to that other job. No, you can’t do that. You think I’ve gotta get a bit of paper. I haven’t got any labels in my bag. Tell the site manager, tell, whatever your proceduresare at work, follow those. But you should label that,you should leave a label, Do Not Enter until that is checked out. Until you’ve rung the sitemanager or your own manager, you cannot leave that situation. Where it is reasonablypracticable to do so, you should be putting a labelon there for the next person and some of you will seethese labels when you remove a roof tile to put the lights in. You may see one that’s beendone before you were there. It helps the next person.Okay. Register. There are registers now. Only and you can tell me why, only for commercial buildingsunfortunately at the moment. We’d like to changethat to houses as well. Commercial building builtbefore December 31st, 2003. Why that date? Why is it that date that abuilding must have a register? Hopefully you’re saying to yourselves, oh that date, I remember that, 2003. That’s when it was banned in Australia, imports were banned by that date. So that’s why and you have a right to see a register when you go to work. I think the Asbestos Safetyand Eradication Agency just did a study and not manyworkers get to see a register.So you have to ask if you can see it and then you know where it is,what condition it’s in and you can start to workon different practices. Now, is it this point, no? Okay, obviously we’ve spoken about why. This is a warning from the Code. You cannot use high pressure hoses, drills because it releases fibers,it makes sense okay? It makes sense to me. Now that brings me to a Safe Work Practice Code. Sorry, a Safe Work Practice from the Code. I’ll just have to hope I’ve got it here somewhere to show it to you. It’s in the handout, that’s it. I’ve put it in thehandouts for people here. I haven’t got, we haven’tgot an image of it to put up here but I’vegot the register there. But I’ll just give you,I’m just gonna literally because all I want todo is make you aware. This is Safe Work PracticeOne from that Code. Drilling of an asbestoscement sheet for example, it’s drilling of an ACM.54 steps. There are 54 bullet points and that’s why it’s not a simple process, okay? And you can’t use yourdrill and things like that. There have to be control measures and I’m not gonna go into them. I’m just saying youknow, here’s your mask. There’s your overalls, Ibought them at Bunnings. They’re asbestos-proof, you can get them. There you go, off you go, drill that, cut that out, put that. Is that enough? Is that okay? Just asking that question,because it’s not. You have to follow everysingle step on there. I’ll tell you why and justa quick sort of cartoon. You can’t use the drill,you could have a cup. You got the gel, you got thecup, you’ve got a hand drill. You’ve gotta have yourmask on, your overalls on. You’ve gotta have fivemillimeter double-wrap plastic bag here, you’vegotta have the tape ready.You’ve gotta wipe yourself down after because the dust will collect in the cup and you’ve gotta put allof that and everything, they’re just some of the stepsyou have to follow because we were talking earlier about the partners who did the washing bothdied with mesothelioma. We’ve had kids who’vehugged their parents in their overalls have gotill and died with diseases because their clothes are contaminated. The area gets contaminated. It doesn’t mean you can’t do the job, you can but you must be trained in Safe Work Practices and they’re in there. And if it has to be removed, you have to have a licensedremovalist to remove it or you contact an occupational hygienistwho can take samples for you. You know there arepeople there to help you. Okay. Obviously, if you want more information about the codes, there they are. That’s the Safe WorkPractices Codes that are on their website, very clear andvery easy to get ahold of. We have a website as well and I’ll show you that in a moment. We’ve got more information about what I’ve spoken about today on there.You can download that booklet for free. If anyone’s doing DIY,feel free to do that. But just remember becauseit says at the bottom there, if you’re involved inthat work or you’ve got people at work who dealwith it a lot of the time, have them trained, havesomeone trained in your business or call someone whois, call a professional in. That’s our line, that iswhat we’re gonna stick to because we don’t want anymore stories about exposure. I’ve covered what itis, the health hazards, where you might find it. We’ve looked at the lawand I’ve covered just briefly some aspects of thelaw there and we’ve looked a little bit at one SafeWork Practice from the Code.I’m just going to showyou those websites there for more information. There are other, I thinkthere’s one other lab available. There are labs availableand there are many removalists available across the state. You just go onto theWorkSafe website and it gives you a list ofremovalists in your area. However there is the lab here. They will gladly help you on the phone or come take a test foryou but within 24 hours. That’s for more information. Now, I’m just gonna put this upwhile I talk about this. This is Jake who I told you about earlier. Absolutely lovely man and obviously died at63 in April this year. I really, you know I can’t impress on you enough, that is wrong. It is not fair. Now he worked with it years ago and it came back to haunt himfrom probably in his 20s or 30s and now 40 yearslater, he gets this horrible, you don’t want to be dyingwith that disease because Julie’s husband Brian wasdiagnosed at the same time.Brian, he died at 64, five months later. Don’t want any more storieslike that from Julie either. I interviewed her too, wonderful person and what they’re sayinglook, “Education is the key.” Jake said to me and that’s why I’m here and that’s why I’m passionate about it. It is the key, we want you to be aware that something can happenfurther down the line and apart from that you’regonna be worrying about it.You could be worrying aboutit on and off in your head, you know before anything,which it may never happen. It’s not that, it’s themental sort of torment from exposure and don’t get me wrong, I’ve actually seen youngpeople who’ve told me already. From that workshop I’vealready experienced stories from 19-year-olds, 18-years-olds. I even had a 16-year-oldwho’s doing a pre-employment. Already, they’re telling me and theydidn’t like it and they didn’t say anything and theywished they had said something. Now at this point I normallyget people into pairs. This is what I did with the students. I had 1,005 stand up and do a role play for meand not one person said no and I’d get them into A and B and you can do this if you’re watching.You can do this withyour employees, you could show them this and then youcould do this with them. A is the employer, B is the employee andyou just get them to, one of them is gonna give the other one a job that involves asbestos, that’s it. You tell this person to do ajob and it involves asbestos and they have to say “No,no I’m not doing it.” Now they might not say itlike that but they might say “Oh look could we, I thinkthat might be asbestos mate. “Could we get it tested?” I’ve heard all sorts of things, really clever thingscoming from young people. It gave them practice at saying it so they weren’t put on the spot.Oh come on mate, get on with that. It’s never done me any harm. Go on, it’s the whitestuff, it’ll be fine. You know sometimes thepressure is too much at work and that has tostop so I’m trying to get young people to bestronger about saying “No, “I don’t feel safe doingthat, I’m not doing it.” Yeah it’s hard and then you swap them over so that they get a chanceof being the employer putting the pressure on someone to do it.So you just do that role play,I think it’s very effective. It takes like three minutes, it’s so effective and I have to say as a result of that Silent Killer program, 97% of young people in their evaluations said they would challenge an employer who asked them to deal with asbestos. We haven’t done this today but I also showed them case studies. They read three real life case studies of people I’ve interviewed who’vebeen through an experience. So it gave them thatempowerment to stand up for themselves and I hope they do and I hope that if you’rean employer out there that you’ll consider maybe not askinganyone in the first place.And there are procedures now,there are brilliant companies, professional companies whofollow all the right steps. I’d like to thank youvery much for listening. I’ve covered hopefully abit more about what it is, the health hazards,where you might find it. A little bit about thelaw and I’ve told you about the communication,how important that is and I’d like to end,because I haven’t done the role play and Ihaven’t got that today, we made a film at the end of the project and I thought we’d endwith that film and I’ll show you what those young people, that was their message that they wanted to get out after the program andit’s a positive message.It’s about all of us working together to change things for the future. Thank you very much. (somber violin, piano tones) – [Narrator] If you arean employer and you ask an employee to remove,dump or handle asbestos, you can expect them to say – Sorry mate, I think that’s asbestos. I’m not handling that. – It’s the law mate,you’ve gotta get it tested. – Sorry, I’m not qualified to do that. – You gotta be trained to handle that. Sorry mate, I can’t do that for you. – [Narrator] So please, don’t ask. – Because we are ready to say – [Workers] No. – You can help us to stop the next wave. (somber violin, piano tones).

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