Condominium Rules for Asbestos Testing – They Might Surprise You!

alright thanks for thanks for tuning in today today we’re talking with Dan Ventura from Hawk environmental and we’re gonna be talking about hazardous sampling and hazardous sampling the materials “when youre doing” a build repair it’s everybody’s least favorite topic everybody topic and the answers that we ever get from the clients are you know the building was building in X dates we’ve had make done before it hasn’t been asked for don’t worry about it it’s not important right you know as far as kind of common sense extends that that’s understandable you know we’ve had minor plumbing mends done we changed a ceiling replacement siding we did these little jobs you know 10 several years ago 12 years ago and nobody’s asked for hazardous information testing and so I ponder a good deal of people is clear that hey I’ve got popcorn ceilings from the 1970 s okay I know that’s usually somewhat hot or I’ve got twelve by twelve VCT tile in the practicality chamber I know that’s normally sizzling but come on my house was built the 80 s late 90 s 2000 even last year what I don’t have that stuff I don’t need an inspection believe it or not those newer houses are those fabrics that don’t seem to be a high priority are actually more important to have measured and what is our testing and inspection doing what we’re doing is we’re following the rules and the laws of each individual state and the federal regulations so that we show that these materials do not contain asbestos or do not contain lead-based make-up and things that beings get tripped up on are things that we don’t think about like standard sends and wall assemblies right so where does the testing come from why do we have to test so the asbestos testing comes from recommendations written in the 1980 s called a Hera ahg RA and that’s the asbestos hazard emergency response act and that was written for academies we were having asbestos controversies minors are our most valuable resource so that’s where the federal government decided to write up these rules and regulations with regards to asbestos in all regions of the 80 s and 90 s that specification was adopted by all of the individual states to apply not only to academies but to any campaign where asbestos could be disturbed and the issue that we ever get is well what might contain asbestos well my character the law a material that could contain asbestos is as follows any construct substance not moved perfectly of timber metal or glass so we don’t even worry about plywood we don’t need to worry about our handrails we don’t need to worry about the glass portions of our windows but our drywall our stations our roofing sealants and sheaths our floor sealants and tissues window tissues window Conchas and glazings sundry glazings on the siding resilient flooring sponsor for tiles miscellaneous adhesive adhesive snowshoes yes sealants anything “thats really not” readily a rarely identified as identifiable as lumber metal or glass okay so when we’re looking at apartment buildings or condos or even even you know commercial shopping mall and stuff like that we have to test during our inspection process because we’re disturbing the material right or or is it precisely is it merely during structure if we know construction is going on when we talk about asbestos there is no square foot limit okay so even if we’re disturbing a couple of square inches of a siding it is essential to do one of two things either treat it like asbestos and this one contains asbestos which means abatement and a great deal of money devoted or tests and show that it does not contain asbestos so we can treat it like any other building material okay so when we’re looking at timber siding and or fiber plaster or vinyl siding or stucco or brick concrete all those things if it’s not thoroughly grove or not absolutely glass like you said but so so what are what are some things that we find it in on the exterior just sealants around windows what are the common ones certainly possible in those sealants but we do find it in coughing thing regularly we find it in the building paper so you might look at a structure and say this is cedar shake and it’s got rough gash cedar opening edging so it’s all timber right well formerly you pluck that cedar shake back you’ve got some build paper and that could have an asbestos content to it on the exterior we likewise find it in cements cements tars and sealants that were used for twinkles around chimneys around plumbing piercings on the roof right and we likewise can find asbestos and materials that don’t look like they were cement boards soffits on strip mall and multi-family condos are one of the big ones we “ve been looking for” from the soil and we just see something that’s oh it’s coated plywood well you get close to eat a pond it it’s a plaster committee right and we research it we could find that it does contain asbestos when we have to start worrying about asbestos stage material is zero so there’s there’s the federal powers that have been adopted by pretty much every country and you know your state might be a little bit different but as a broad-stroke fabrics that contain one percent or more asbestos fibers and then become an ACM and asbestos containing textile okay know someone who has a certification to do the asbestos inspection that would be an era building inspector their hassle is to help you determine where to assessment how many research of each type of materials but most importantly how to construe that and one of issues that we come across is we might have a contractor or an HOA president or resident grasp a test of something and drop it off at a laboratory and say it does or does not contain asbestos so then once once we have it tested then it’s then we can then we can tell if we need to do anything special if it is essential to do any of bateman procedures to take it off and that’s where your asbestos inspection party the asbestos examiner and the survey report itself is helpful and here’s a real common thing okay we experimented something we made it to a lab you know merely a homeowner did it or someone just just did it exactly to see and they found that it contains asbestos well when they take it to the lab a lab only yes or no and what percentage but there’s more that goes into it and the big question is is it friable so we get scared and we feel oh my God if my roofing has asbestos in it I have to abate the whole roof right well the truth of the matter is the majority of roofing materials that have asbestos can be classified by an asbestos supervisor is non friable and that means that when you guys take it out it’s not going to kick up any fibers and “weve been” of these extra rules and regulations that allow us to remove that without doing all of the extended asbestos abatement and without disposing of it as a material that could cause contamination in the waste facility gotcha a lot of RIF sheaths are now coatings or over mourns or you know even fluid applied veneers and tissues hmm and so that was one of the portions that was driving that of a don’t have any demo Cosby we know it’s hot it’s age-old left open in place exactly coat over the top of it so I think that’s actually driven some of the market and some of the roofing slice but anyway what happens okay so we’re not the moral police we’re not to run making sure that somebody follows every code but we didn’t want to keep people safe but what is happening in us you know we will put out a entreat saying you need to you need to hire something like I could do this and then we were dictate up against somebody else’s I don’t need to do that my builds over you know 1979 or and I worried about him it we’ve never done that before yeah so what happens what are the teeth are there any teeth I think there’s fines what are one of the penalizes then does the owner define does the contractor you find what what do you see happening currently well one of the biggest problems that can occur that doesn’t certainly have a chose dollar amount to it is a stop work order sure and that’s a great problem we get the job red-tagged and that can happen because the regional city examiner drives around and views it or because you have applied for a permit and they know there’s work going on so they inspect it or we have a complaint or areas of concern grew from a neighbor maybe you know they don’t like the racket in the morning so they start calling right so penalizes can be levied on the owner the building because at the end of the day they’re hiring the contractor and it is partially if not majority majority Lee but major Lee their responsibility to ensure the laws are followed the contractor as well can be fined for potentially exposing their employees or employees to asbestos and if asbestos materials are found to have been removed and stored on-site the owner of the dimension can be fined on a daily basis until this does cleaned up so if liens can wander anywhere from five hundred to seven hundred and fifty dollars upwards to you know high-pitched six digits depending on the severity of the issue and if impurity had existed to adjacent gaps or out into the environment okay and then the one part that goes without saying is that both of us want to go home safe we want to follow the right things our employees want to be safe are you know on all the contractors you know so it’s safety first but then here’s the real combats and so 750 horses then it’s not a big fine but I’ve I’ve heard some contractors get hit for 10 majestic and so how does that that all of a sudden hurts and that that you know do you find some of that happening have you seen jives and ones that are a somewhat reasonable slam yeah so really this last year we had a contractor find one hundred and thirty thousand dollars by the Department of Labor and manufactures for something that in your world would be a super big programme yeah so what they had done was they had rubbed and removed popcorn ceiling in a building and they left that waste and debris in a dumpster so the punishments started from number one you didn’t test it by a certified party like you were supposed to okay number two you uncovered employees count three you spread it to the environment number four some of it came to the drop and so patients can come from your regional clean-living breeze agency your workers health and safety organization OSHA labor industry etc they can also is just coming up the Department of Ecology if it’s been spread around and get into the duct and your waste management beings and so most of those are federal every commonwealth so departmental disasters is a Washington term but then every commonwealth has their roughly the same thing employee protection but the federal quietnes Department of Ecology Department of EPA OSHA yeah oh yeah all that material and so that supplements up to all of a sudden Wow 130,000 dollars and that was just a contractor was the owner penalized as well that was just the contractor and that was on a single-family suburban Wow so you could imagine how if you’re doing 10 units 50 measurements 100 divisions at our multifamily asset right how these things can multiply out and it intent up with contractors going out of business it culminates up with homeowners associations funds being drained right even modify tell for rewards yeah and even if you beat the amusing you’ve consume so much money a law justification right and the money that you’ve lost in the lag of your campaign is extraordinary okay so hopefully that got your attention with importance now so we have we know we need to do it we do have a we do have an urban legend of it’s old-fashioned constructs only let’s talk about the brand-new trash you’re seeing and why do we see that brand-new stuff and and I’ve got a couple qualities on it but I wanted to get your take on that what’s what’s the one year aged money and here’s what was red-hot and why do you think it got hot so the actuality is that it’s fairly rare to find a one or two or 5 year aged structure have asbestos found in some of the information that is but it is possible and it does happen if you look at the materials that you buy from any store nothing of them are going to say they’re asbestos free unless you’re working with a Couture supplier that’s raising something with an asbestos free credential so we still can go to the hardware store now any of your regional you know Home Depot Lowe’s whatever and by roofing sealants and tars that could have asbestos in them additionally what we’re talking about you know the north western portion of the country for a long time we were getting a majority of the members of our gypsum produces from Canada and Canada had in the British Columbia had a great way cycling program and that represents when you are creating went bulldozed they would require the drywall to get laded separately and then they grind it up and heat it up and form new gypsum a big Egyptian board well inside of that drywall there’s also you are well aware asbestos in the joint complexes and the dirt and perhaps the textures okay so we can have asbestos that’s gotten into our information due to our recycling procedures which are great you know we’ve wanted to recycling whatever possible haples goal yeah okay and then we have the issue with makes coming in from you know out of the country they may not have strict regulations okay and arranges like China India Russia asbestos is still used widely in house fabrics because it’s it’s obviously it’s a good build that brought up it’s great chemical resistant flame resistant and allows things to be smoother and glues to work better it’s just it stimulates a number of problems for our organizations for those same reasons because my can’t get it out right you know the United Regime sold products have to have to comply with the EPA so they’re they don’t throw them in asbestos anymore but if a commodity comes in offshore then get carried in to across the border then all of a sudden we’ve got it and so being up in the Pacific Northwest you know we’re close to Canada I intend West Coast is pretty close to Mexico and and things just come across and that’s that’s where wolves and and you know it happens all over the country all over the world you know Australia recently had a brand new accept was a museum built and they had these specialty committees built for this really high efficiency roofing material and they were drilling through lending some hardware and one of the workers said I don’t I don’t like it seems of this powdery material right everybody told him it’s not a big deal don’t worry about it it’s not a big deal it’s a brand-new material well they moved and tested it everything there is contained asbestos and it wasn’t something anybody ordered yeah but asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral it we don’t have to purposefully add it to textiles for it to be there it can be present in the original or that the materials are made from you know Johnson& Johnson’s but all over the news they got a huge fund for obtain asbestos in talcum powder didn’t add it right it was part of where they were getting their raw materials from contained asbestos hmm the same with vermiculite it’s found in a lot of our entire structures and the CMU blocks and lofts yeah and they weren’t adding asbestos to them vermiculite but there were veins of asbestos in the mica mine where they were make the vermiculite that’s really that’s really helpful because we’ll get that question of how did it get there and why and what can you do about it and can’t you merely specify United State made concoctions and it’s like we’re kind of determine it come from where it’s been things but I didn’t think it actually gone brain with the other other commodities I’m kind of mingled in there and then the recycling slouse is it that’s you know we want to do our best and recycled but we’re grind it all together so there’s strategies of how we we are familiar and settles we know we want to keep rates down you know we want to provide itself here you know we’re just you know healthy working conditions and we want to check all the boxes but we don’t want to get too carried away yeah but utterly is but I think that first off looking at this from a long safety perspective is helpful but I think we likewise should be looking at it from or workflow a little overhead at the end and how can we organize and plan things out in the street one behavior to stay compliant with the rules because it’s the flow safe thing to do but likewise to make sure we don’t have unintended adjournments and unintended problems for activities so starting off in the beginning your one work with somebody who has the asbestos examiners certification and somebody who focuses on do testing and inspections examinations it’s not rocket science you know it’s there’s a very set format to make love the EPA stop their guidebook on it and it’s very straightforward the process works best when you’re working with someone who’s familiar with your type of project so if you have a person from flooring fellowship that does asbestos tests they’d be over licensed and he only testify before he might up the internal report writing and experience to do a hundred if you have someone that does mostly industrial activities where they’re doing oil and gas pipelines they might not be familiar with residential and multifamily properties so step one would be identify a company who can show through ordeal that well commodities that they know how to do this and an effective and impede me apart yeah they its scope of application of work now you’re gonna start with that early so you might kind of the full structure and architectural plan but what you want to do with that companionship is you want to present them the narrative we’re gonna work on this stunt okay that’s this many buildings and this numerous groups and it was built in this time period they’ll tasting illustrations maybe better Google Maps perhaps we’ll set up some depicts and they will be together for you on inspection examine project that’s gonna extend any issues that you guys plan to disturb and it’s gonna window-dressing sampling that in a representative manner we don’t need to assessment every single wall in every single building but who inspected will follow the regulations rules and assess all of these walls that are present how many of them same and then you know once “theres going” which ones are identical we can create a representative sampling plan to do as little dislocation as is practicable but afford a really nice expansive coverage they can be good for that whole construct yes yeah anything you know more about these things that allows you sort through contractors right away because if you understand what the rules are you’ll likewise understand that this guy that said you don’t have to do this is this informant and what else might you be disheartened about when you’re looking at alternatives are looking at multiple orders if parties various kinds of need a space stare and go well it kind of seemed like Nana worried that sucked we never do that we’ve done this for 20 years and never done red flag so the regardles well it was not presented to you over the front end is something that’s necessary the other were going to show who more than likely that we’re going to this is a change we’re already future so if you you’re gonna get a change for something that is so basic that’s a lot for every project what other alter study lineups might be in store for you life this is our move on it’s not going anywhere potentially right it’s been around for a long time what’s new and what might be surprising to some tribes is the level of enforcement and the level of enforcement over the past five years has risen by our baby and its own experience enormously take and not just increased because the regulators are focusing more whether the public knows more about it and is sitting more phone calls and causing more of surprise inspections on business projections right and so kind of plastering that when you do an inspection you get a good faith survey characters all their good menu examine mm-hm and so on Sunday when the neighbor comes out on all your down wall street and says hey where’s your you know honey know there’s asbestos thunder it is and it actually oh you guys already doing it oh gosh you’re waiting oh thank you I’ll stop complaining about stuff there’s testing you and you guided in regions okay when you have your city and bear the specters and the worst thing you can say HR questions respect Arizona you gotta understand what you’re working with and we find that what a investigation is put together and it’s done in a delightful Bachelor is ETA has got some photos it’s got the floor plans it’s a nice package with labour inspectors arrives that can be the first thing that’s handsome hey just wanted you to know thank you for coming to our hassle locate before you walk on we want to show you that we did have an asbestos probably we’ve proof or we won’t even know that we have asbestos in the northeast corner unit we’re doing name up there Hughes the survey so you can go everywhere else and you know you’re safe as labour inspectors you time not projected to them that you’re scrupulous when you care about yeah yeah alright well thanks for talking to us today yeah you are appreciate this and thanks for thanks for hanging in here you’re still watchin yeah it’s a good topic it’s everybody’s health and safety and you know it’s just something I do boy those talked about they can be six million punishments and you know let’s just not do that or six or mutate requires last-minute let’s try to avoid that nonsense so thanks for watching thanks so much okay here’s the ah mistake people are outdoorsmen so wild and we’re going between seasons right now so we’re getting towards their you give me over this chanterelle season and everything towards the 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